AirBnB planning permission Dublin?


#205

In the context of this recent proposal can you please explain the meaning and applicability of what you have mentioned above?


#206

There is an argument that somebody who is currently carrying out Airbnb would not be subject to this new planning requirement e.g. pre-63 developments don’t require planning permission - because they were developed before the introduction of planning law.


#207

AFAIK section 63 was an explicit carve out for “political” reasons (Fianna Fail shtyle)


#208

Pre 63 is pre 1963, first planning law in Ireland. No planning required before that so no requirement for’, planning’


#209

Sorry, meant pre-63 but I never realized there was no Planning system before then!!


#210

Back in the good old days you used to apply directly to the minister


#211

The definition of “short term letting” in the proposed legislation seems to be 2 weeks.

Does anyone think this will lead to landlords advertising their properties on AirBnB with a 2 week minimum stay?

I realise that the vast majority of short-term lettings are under 2 weeks, and AirBnB lettings for over 2 weeks are a small minority, but does anyone think that is what a minority of landloards will do? or is it just not worth it as your target market would be very small?


#212

As predicted by many…

Short-term letting regulations not being followed


#214

DCC shouldn’t have to put in so much effort on this. Murphy was told at the time that the best approach was to make it illegal to advertise properties that did not have the relevant permission or had breached the limits. He bowed to pressure from AirBnB (who put in a huge shift on the lobbying front) and left DCC holding the baby and the taxpayers bearing the expense. The Revenue have taken a far harder and smarter line on the tax front demanding documentation from AirBnB. DCC inspectors are reduced to tracking cleaning company staff going in and out of apartments to follow up complaints - they are doing it OK but there’s not enough of them. Complaints to management companies seem to be more effective.


#216

To date, the council has relied on complaints from members of the public to guide its enforcement activity. However, it expects to have additional resources in place by the end of next month that will allow it to ramp up its enforcement of the rules on short-term lets.

The Department of Housing has sanctioned the hiring of 12 additional staff. While only two positions have been filled so far, the council believes the remaining staff will be hired by the end of November.


#217

#218

AirBnB checks

Looks like some action being taken at last

Of the cases investigated so far 87 are classified as “resolved” which is understood to mean the property has been taken off the short-term market.


#219

Just reviving this as it seems that the Coronavirus epidemic has very thoroughly put 2 Airbnb lies to bed:

  1. It’s just a service for people who want to rent spare capacity in their homes
  2. It doesn’t affect the market for long term rentals

These were the main planks of their argument against regulation (and abiding by the rules). I think they’ll find themselves in a very different regulatory climate once all this is over. Let’s hope our Minister for Housing (the incumbent or the next one) alters the regulations to force Airbnb to check that advertisers are compliant.

I’ve no problem with their originally expressed aim (acting as a parasitic growth on what people used to call house swaps) but acting as cover for tax dodgers and others breaking the law seemed to be their MO. Good riddance to them. They’re also not covering themselves in glory with this kind of s**t:


#220

Looks like the 5 year old in charge of Housing is starting to wake up from his nap - https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0421/1132968-airbnb-properties/ OK - tell us your proposals little man.


#221

SBP has an article on changes coming…

Airbnb hosts will need planning permission to advertise properties


#222

Airbnb cuts 1900 staff.
From LinkedIn it looks like many of these are in Dublin…


#223

I believe many of them (possibly all) in Ireland that are being let go are contractors - they won’t be getting Airbnb’s generous terms. Contracts are regularly terminated here without reaching the full term - yes you can sue - ‘but you’ll never work in this town again’ - and the business is handled by a tiny cartel who’ll make sure the threat sticks.


#224

Proposed plan by the Govt. And unless they make it an offense by Airbnb and not their clients, this will never been enforced as far too many to go after.

Look at BER requirement to advertise a proprty for rent/sale on Daft and MyHome and how many ignore it


#225

Yep I would tend to agree. If the STL cannot withstand the implosion in tourism then it might not be much of an issue anyway


#226

Is it a requirement to advertise? I know you can’t close a sale without one.