Binmen & The Flying Fruit-pickers


#63

Reading this more, there is a clear subtext to the original sting of the article before someone in the regime had a shit fit and sent their PR goons to Pravda to sort out the damage - the regulations have been in play for a bit, this was not suddenly have noticed, it looks more like a timed pushback form within the force - consider, the government where pushing the ramp up for all the slackers just before the weekend, did those extra Garda checks appear?

There have possibly no checks at all in some places.

Is this a shot across the bow of The Caretakers - are they now losing the not just the rank and of Garda but also the senior officers?

The caretakers have already lost the people. No observance of social distancing highly evident yesterday.


#64

Id say someone just changed the headline because it was incorrect.

I havent looked at the legislation but I doubt it may be applied differently to different categories of person based on nationality. Im guessing that its just an anomoly in the sense that if you dont have a home in the State you cant technically have travelled more than 2km from it. Nothing more than that


#65

Which essentially means that imported fruit-pickers are free to roam the entire country.


#66

The simple reading and implication is this:

Northern Irish people have complete freedom of movement within the Irish State

The Irish do not.

Constitutional crisis anyone?

What does the GFA have to say on the matter too?


#67

A cockup in the drafting left out everyone who is not a resident of the country, simple incompetence.
They have until after the May bank holiday to revise the wording or if they decide to extend/modify or quietly bury it when all restrictions are lifted.


#68

Dept. of Health “What anomaly?.. No no, there is no anomaly.”

rep-ireland-doj-style

One officer told gardaí, sergeants and inspectors in his area of responsibility that these people “are not open to arrest for breaches of these regulations” and that “under no circumstances does a member have the legal authority to arrest a person not ordinarily resident in this jurisdiction for a breach of the Health Act 1947 (Section 31A of the Temporary restrictions Covid 19 regulations 2020)”.

The senior officer conceded that the situation was “less than ideal” and although “clarification from the Department of Justice is awaited” “at the time of the reporting there is no movement” to address the anomaly in the legislation.


#69

They changed the headline because they added a pre-amble that was more implicit than explicit. The original article was super explicit, devastatingly explicit.

i.e. You can be arrested but your NI neighbours are free as a bird.

The optics, that headline, on RTE, was a disaster.

Too late. It has been noted.

There has been a case of a man arrested driving from Belfast to Kerry and back, reported on the 21st, this might be the instigator of the Senior Garda concerns but the original RTE headline was at least embarrassing if not shambolic for The Caretakers.

This probably means Garda Commissioner Harris is the most free man on the island, enjoying some kind of supra-rights as he drives around the island in unmarked car with undeclared non-irish escorts bearing fire-arms.

Thankfully there is no precedent for this on the island or people might start to worry, maybe a tiny winy little bit. :whistle:


#70

It also means any tourist is free to roam. Any ordinarily resident in another country. Lockdown lifted for them.


#71

Never applied in the first place.

Dedicated topic here > Gardaí cannot arrest NI visitors for breaches of Covid-19 restrictions


#72

It seems like he has suffered a self evident miscarriage of Justice. Did the judge even read the legislation ?


#73

Does it though?

I may be wrong but i took it to mean that someone driving from Belfast to Kerry is not in breach of the legislation because they have no place of residence within the State and therefore cannot have travelled more than 2km from it.

If however, they were tourists staying at a bnb or hotel in the State, that could maybe then be stated to be their designated place of residence…meaning that they may not travel beyond a 2km radius of said bnb or hotel. Maybe maybe not.

The fruit pickers are a separate category as they are designated “essential” workers.

Ultimately, Id say this is simply poor, probably very rushed, drafting of the legislation with the upshot being that there are a number of categories of persons who are excepted.

The wheels seem to be coming off the whole thing anyway as without a proper army or armed police force Ireland relies on goodwill of the citizenry to impose this. The more anomalies that arise the more that goodwill is eroded and the greater the rise in general non compliance.

Id expect theyll start loosening restrictions soon enough as they simply cant be enforced for much longer.


#74

Yes. But they may have assumed (incorrectly) the law applied to them. People will act differently as a consequence


#75

The Penal Laws


#76

Reported April 21st

The Department of Justice last month transferred 70 asylum seekers across the country despite a recent confirmed case of Covid-19 at the Dublin hotel where they had been living, The Irish Times has learned.

A department spokesman confirmed that a guest who checked into the hotel – a branch of chain Travelodge near Dublin Airport – on March 7th fell ill and was hospitalised the next day, before being diagnosed with Covid-19.

While the guest did not return to the hotel, members of the party they were travelling with stayed there under advice to self-isolate for another two weeks. They left the hotel without developing symptoms on March 22nd. It is understood that members of staff at the Travelodge later tested positive for Covid-19.

IT article archival link: http://archive.vn/cX9FJ

Have the various governmental industrial human trafficking programs been put in check by the virus or are they still ongoing, and if still ongoing, how many human trafficking events have occurred before and after lockdown and what number of trafficking channels currently exist under the auspices of the regime (not withstanding the obvious health issues and interrelated financial costs)?


Links sourced from politicalirish.com - Asylum seekers transferred from Dublin Travel Lodge to Caherciveen despite case of Covid-19


#77

Not a good look - The Cavan cluster may be explained by one plant alone but it seems meat factory workers testing positive in one or more plants.

If I am not mistaken, typically such plants are predominantly staffed by migrant workers. Old story of Brazilians springs to mind but then you also have the Halal processing cluster (to borrow a phrase) in I think is in Longford.

Further discussion over here on Politicalirish.com - Several Covid-19 Clusters found in Meat Processing Plants #Keelingstoo???


#78

Ah yeah. Another “it’s the immigrants” thread over there. What else.

You got that right at least.


#79

Perhaps you are confusing people with policy?


#80

The big problem with meat factories is social distancing. It’s a physical job - when the carcasses swing down the line it takes two pretty strong people to control them. When the saws are going everybody is coughing and spluttering, breathing heavily, the air is full of particles and moisture - the temperature and humidity are probably ideal for disease transmission. It’s been a problem in the US as well - see Smithfields in S.Dakota. It’s the nature of the job - in the best of times you’d only do it if you really had to - and very few do it for very long. You get promoted or you get out.


#81

The other issue of course is one of accommodation - meat packing workers don’t tend to live in a suburban 3 bed. There’s a good few living out my way - the standard is a shared rented house, with socialisation among their own peer group, who often live in similar circumstances. Blaming Brazilian immigrants (or bringing Muslims into this, I assume because Brazilians mightn’t be objectionable enough) is missing the point entirely.

I mean, much of this is fairly obvious - it’s not immigration per se that causes the spread of the disease. Once it gets into an area, it causes problems for people who live in large family groups, who live in shared accommodation (or an institution), or who have to work closely together. The problem is with work practices and standards of accommodation, not with the immigrants who are often the victims of this.


#82

What are you on about?