Britain leaving the European Union.


#4570

bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0001fhv

@ 29:16


#4571

Thanks for posting. Would not actually have believed that if I had not heard it myself. Staggering nonsense.


#4572

Unfortunately I bump into such people all the time where I currently am in north England. It’s rather depressing but thankfully we’ll be back in Ireland next year.

They really are more danger to themselves than anything else.


#4573

There was a Labour MP interviewed on Sky News this evening who was still trotting out the “EU needs us to buy their cars” line. He thinks May got a lousy deal and the UK just needs to march back over to Brussels and threaten to leave without a deal if they don’t what they want.
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#4574

#4575

So much for 'they are mad for herring ’ agreement
As a number of informed commentators have points out its near impossible for the UK to get to a Norway plus from their current position.
They would have to go back in time and approach the EEA/EFTA countries and engage in detailed discussions to see if was even possible. But the thicko Brexiteers still think its easy to leave the EU and negotiate a FTA. Maybe they should learn to walk before they can run


#4576

British quickly running into a dead end full of stinky poo, better known as Brexit.


#4577

Jeffrey Donaldson DUP on the Pat Kenny show this morning was still using the ‘car buying’ line


#4578

Priti Patel says the threat of starvation in Ireland should be used as leverage to go back to Brussels.

Do millions have to starve in Britain for them to finally understand how millions starved in Ireland under direct London rule?


#4579

Even for a Tory politician, I didn’t think a statement could be possibly true. I had to Google it to make sure.

In the real world though, Ireland is the 2nd most food secure country in the world.


#4580

It’s gormless for sure, but it is the same uninterrupted Westminster sovereignty that induced starvation in Ireland that prosecutes Brexit now. Phil Hogan’s reply cuts to the heart of it.

irishtimes.com/business/eco … -1.3723610


#4581

If all trade was stopped with brexit its the brits that would starve. But hey, thats their call. We will both freeze though. maybe we can have our own Norway plus plus plus slap dash


#4582

I too didn’t believe that was the substance of it, but here it is - I looked for for a source that I though wouldn’t be a mouthpiece for some view or other, initially picking truckerworld.uk/2018/12/priti-p … -backstop/, but settling on MSN (somebody has to read it sometime):
msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/p … ar-BBQDd8z


#4583

BBC podcast
Will Brexit lead to the pulling apart of countries within the European Union?
27 minutes of interesting debate on what’s next for Europe with speakers from Warsaw and Brussels.

bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswk10


#4584

The optics that I get from this is that there is a possible danger to food security in Ireland.
The Irish government will have no objection to letting Irish people and small businesses suffer because we do live in a time here in Ireland Inc where the lines in government management has been to DO AS YOUR TOLD


#4585

The conspiracisy theorists are coming out of the woodwork…


#4586

No. There’s no conspiracy here.
This is all business as usual for 'The Great and The Good" of Irish Government.
They follow the line set by higher authority.
They can disagree for a while to temper and manipulate public mood but then they toe the line, if necessary changing laws to suit.
Many real examples of same in recent years.

Much as though we were/are an outpost of Britain, we are and will remain an even greater outpost of Europe.


#4587

So Ireland is better off going out on its own trading with Iceland then ?

Instead of mumbling tell us how you can make Ireland more independent and prosperous than it is already ?

Make an effort …Details…Specifics.


#4588

Here’s an interesting one for you,

How we will be discussing the similarities between the break up of the soviet union in December 1991 and the break up of the EU in (pick a date in the next 3 - 5 years).
Remember how solid the SU looked in 1985, it was expected to last for decades.


#4589

I think you (and others) are missing much of the point of what’s brewing right across Europe at this stage. Discussion encompassing GDP and figures and growth projections simply won’t cut it anymore.

In the case of Ireland, when we were ‘poorer’ people could generally afford their own homes close to extended family networks (think affordable childcare), usually on one income. In much of the country people could leave their doors unlocked. Suicide was uncommon and most people spoke the same language as their neighbors. Kids generally wandered freely and safely wherever they wanted. Further, like it or loathe it, there was a spiritual aspect to life that provided many/most people with a sense of meaning as well as a collective identity…something that crass materialism of either a right or left variety quite clearly does not.

Undoubtedly some people’s lives were worse, especially those whose lifestyles or life choices caused them to fall beyond the narrower/stricter social mores of the day. However, I’d guess that much of the discontent we are witnessing currently is borne of a sense that people’s basic quality of life, despite material and technological advances, has quite simply deteriorated…probably moreso in other European states than in Ireland thus far, but its definitely in the post.

In essence, modernity itself appears to be in the dock and I’m guessing that requests or demands to identify a materialist agenda that may be negotiated and compromised around simply doesn’t even begin to address what is a reaction to a broad cultural malaise that has been half a century in the making.