Britain leaving the European Union.


#5468

As far as I can tell, barely a quarter of Brits know that Ireland is a country.


#5469

Cracker of a showdown between Ian Duncan Smith and Pascal Lamy on BBC’s The Daily Politics today, in which the former’s notion that Brexit could be sorted in 30 minutes if only the EU would drop their silly backstop is peremptorily dispelled.

Unfortunately the whole encounter doesn’t seem to be available anywhere yet. IDS claimed that no NI border is necessary because we trust New Zealand sheep. Lamy tore him a new one, explaining that the EU wouldn’t need border checks for, maybe, Scottish beer because beer is beer is beer. On pretty much everything else it depends on the degree of regulatory divergence, and on that score the Brits have not even begun to decide where they want to be. So IDS is talking through his proverbial.


#5470

P.S. Any idea why I can’t edit the above post to correct The Daily Politics to Politics Live? I can still edit my post from two posts ago. The little pencil edit icon doesn’t appear for the one above.


#5471

LOL. Here’s the full education of IDS by Pascal Lamy …


#5472

After a few weeks of Brexit silence, Ms May will make her final attempt to get the Withdrawal Agreement through Parliament. It appears the vote will be on the 4th, 5th, or 6th of June. That gives her 3 weeks to get Labour onside… so an further extension to Oct it is.


#5473

Very good. IDS always was a slow learner and I doubt if he learnt anything


#5474

…Mayday! MAYDAY!


#5475

She won’t be around to frustrate Brexit much longer. F*** Business…and us


#5476

Assuming this turns out to be accurate, it looks to me like Brexit has become, for the British, a cultural issue in much the same way that abortion and divorce were for the Irish over the past 30 years.

It appears to be less about the realities of the arguments around the topic and more about which side of the cultural divide you choose to place yourself on or be seen to be associated with ie traditional/national V global.

The left/right thing has been obsolete for a long time now. The world has changed or is in the process of changing.


#5477

It didn’t seem possible, but it seems May has made things worse, so much so that she has been told to announce her resignation date tomorrow or face a No confidence vote. The 1922 committee will change the party rules if she does not go and many in the party will leave if she presses ahead with the plan to publish the withdrawal agreement bill.


#5478

It’s such an omnishambles. A leadership election will see promises made by candidates that cannot be delivered. A general election could bring an even worse parliament.

Ideally the Tories would like Labour to take the flack for whatever goes wrong. I think the best Tory strategy might be to hope that Europe just kicks them out. Or maybe ‘Norway for now’ ?

Clucking bell - as Blackadder would say


#5479

Good analysis to call it traditionalist/nationalist vs Globalist/Internationalist, as opposed to the old left/right split. It’s taking Ireland a long while to catch up on the developments across similar Western European countries, but catch up they will, eventually.


#5480

How about Freedom Vs Tyranny :whistle:


#5481

Which side if Freedom and which is Tyranny?


#5482

The world isn’t changing at all. We’ve seen this all before, particularly in Ireland. Brexit is like a successful version of the Workers Party or the Progressive Democrats even. It’s a successful revolution which will result in failure for all. But looking at the parallel with the Stickies for a second

  • looney assertions about how you are the only ones truly ‘speaking on behalf of the people’ (for the PD’s it was ‘the national interest’) while following a looney ideological agenda with notions of mad-eyed purity
  • foreign funding
  • right about some things, but right about them for the wrong reasons and intentions
  • mendacious propagandists

There is no clear eyed way to look at Farage and feel reassured. Even when he’s right, he’s wrong and mendacious generally.


#5483

The headline of the article is a little bit odd. It totally ignored the 2nd biggest party


#5485

May-to-day gone.


#5486

While the senior Tories start scrambling to try and take the top job, British industry continues to collapse. Are the 5000 jobs at British Steel not even on the radar anymore?


#5487

These sorts of comments are food and drink to the Brexiteers and other nationalists voting between now and Sunday:

Juncker lashes out at ‘stupid nationalists’
‘What I don’t like in the British debate is it seems more important to replace the prime minister than to find an agreement among themselves,’ Commission chief says.

By Zoya Sheftalovich

5/23/19, 9:59 AM CET

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker called out “stupid nationalists" in an interview Wednesday, on the eve of the European Parliament election.

“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” Juncker told CNN. “They don’t like those coming from far away, I like those coming from far away … we have to act in solidarity with those who are in a worse situation than we are in.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-lashes-out-at-stupid-nationalists/