Britain leaving the European Union.


#5616

#5617

Nero fiddling comes to mind - https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/unacceptable-is-a-dreadful-weasel-word-jacob-rees-mogg-issues-rules-to-staff-listing-banned-words-38350230.html


#5618

An outcome negated by being the EU’s gimp I guess.

In western Europe, there is no political class as tetchy, as sensitive to slight, as Ireland’s. Second-generation Irish people who deviate from the political and moral worldview of the Dublin 4 set will know this well. For criticising Taoiseach Leo Varadkar’s anti-Brexit stance, I have been been called an Uncle Tom, a Plastic Paddy, even a souper – a reference to those starving Catholics who ditched aspects of their faith in return for soup from Protestant establishments during the Potato Famine. He ‘claims’ to be Irish, the Irish Sun sniffily said about me when I suggested on the BBC that ordinary Irish people’s loyalty to the EU is thin and changeable. There is an alarming culture of conformism on the EU among Ireland’s political elite. ‘Ninety-six per cent of people in Dublin have a favourable attitude to the EU’, establishment types always say. As if this were something to be proud of. As if these Saddam-like figures of samey thinking don’t in fact point to a dearth of debate and dissent on the EU in Ireland’s capital.

Let’s leave to one side how charming it is to be branded ‘plastic’ by inhabitants of those sections of Irish society whose historic failure to make Ireland a properly independent, economically viable nation is why my family and millions of others had to leave. A more pressing question is why Ireland’s opinion-forming set responds so venomously to any questioning of Varadkar’s behaviour over Brexit or of the Irish establishment’s cosiness with the EU. It is because their attachment to Brussels is so existentially essential for them. It is the means through which they gloss over their failures to make good on the Irish Republic. EU membership is the thing that allows them to say we now live in a ‘post-national world’, which is mighty convenient for an establishment whose own national project failed. No dissent on the Irish elite’s love-in with the EU can be brooked because without the EU, modern Ireland would stand exposed as a nation in name only, a Potemkin state ruled by an unconfident elite that grows ever-more distant from Ireland’s nationalist origins.

Read more here: https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/06/it-isnt-britain-thats-nostalgic-for-empire-its-ireland/?fbclid=IwAR2sFiQzZJRmp5HUNNg6gAKCOyglIeCQGlGxTG0VjxihCAFnn1KZDVnRPOQ


#5619

Any article that is making out that ireland is the best at x or worst at y is zzz zzz. What worst is he thinks D4 political class has amoral worldview. Come on


#5620

Blasphemy in this weeks Sindo editorial


#5621

Indo in anti Irish west Brit opinion piece shocker. We all know their solution is to leave the EU and join the UK. Like the good little paddies we are.


#5622

Establishment mouthpiece, Brian Lucey, a man who shilled Anglo Irish shares circa 2007 (if memory serves) advocates abandoning both rural Ireland and northern nationalists at the altar of No Deal Brexit. Fintan and Cathy Sheridan also ramping up the base Anglophobic rhetoric that can only lead to the same place.

In other words, the same D4 liberal establishment who have spent 40 odd years denigrating Irish nationalism, culture and religion in favour of homgenous, anti national globalisation are now seeking nationalist buy-in with a view to rowing in behind an EU led position that will result in the very thing they claim to opppose ie a hard border on the island of ireland.

These are the same moutbpieces (like Lucey) who chose to export an entire generation to pay for the property gamble of the class that they represent less than 10 years ago.

So spare me the “west brit” nonsense. You can be a west brit and still be right about certain issues. On this, a form of compromise is required before we all get a rerun (or worse) of 2008 and its aftermath.


#5623

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-04/for-ireland-plc-pain-of-no-deal-brexit-is-starting-to-hit-home?srnd=premium-europe
Buckle up.


#5624

In other words, the same D4 liberal establishment who have spent 40 odd years denigrating Irish nationalism, culture and religion in favour of homgenous, anti national globalisation are now seeking nationalist buy-in with a view to rowing in behind an EU led position that will result in the very thing they claim to opppose ie a hard border on the island of ireland.

Same old nonsense while being incapable of putting together an alternative position. The only way to avoid a significantly harder border is the backstop. Even the UK’s alternative arrangements committee admit it. The people in NI and in the border want it. Even the UK parliament voted for keeping it by 600 to about 12.
As there is literally no alternative to the backstop, your proposal is by definition to surrender and install a permanent hard border - even though even if you were to do so, such a withdrawal agreement still won’t pass the UK parliament, will undermine all of those fighting for peace in northern Ireland.
A no deal brexit hard border is not “the very thing we are seeking to avoid” - what Ireland is seeking to avoid is accepting an agreement with the UK where a hard border is accepted as part of the package. A no deal may take 10 years to bring the UK (or an independent NI) back to the table - but back to the table they will come. It will never be possible for the UK to not do a deal with the place to which 50% of its exports go.

And yet again, you continue to lie about it being “EU led” - despite the fact that the EU has been exceptionally accommodating to the UK leaving (not objecting to the UK’s discussions with third countries for example - which it was entitled to do) and obviously the EU would be entirely happy with a Canada style FTA (which the ERG claims or wants) - which would very quickly suck the UK economy dry and plays to the EU’s strengths and against the UK’s weaknesses (because of rules of origin restrictions, all complex supply chains would move to the EU, the balance of trade of goods favours Europe, the UK’s services exports would be restricted - it’s why brexit was always a silly idea). Objectively viewed, the EU has also been exceptionally benevolent at every step of negotiations - certainly if the EU wanted to, it could have crippled the UK- but it hasn’t.


#5625

The performance of Ryanair is at least in part related to the future of aviation, and disruption in that industry that must come about due to climate change.
The performance of BOI is partly linked to the inability of Irish Banks to recover certain Irish assets held on their Balance Sheet, and exposure to the over priced UK market (some of which could be said to be Brexit related, but to be fair, trees can’t grow to the sky either)

“Brexit uncertainty is creating some reticence,” McDonagh told analysts. “A year ago we would have assumed that Brexit would have been resolved.”

This strikes me as unbelievably naïve if this is her real outlook, and Irish CEOs are going to trot out this stuff now. It’s part of your job to strategically plan and have contingency plans.


#5626

There is way to plan for all possibilities. De feffel is not a reliable character.

Ryanair’s performance has very little to do with climate change. Fuel prices, 737 max and possible recession next year maybe.

Boi performance like all banks is crap in spite or because they pay themselves vast amounts of money


#5627

You can add the affect of recognizing unions to that list.


#5628

News to me and id assume most others that No Deal and the attendant imposition of a hard border, followed by a modern version of the siege of Troy, potentially over a decade or more, is not what we are seeking to avoid.

If this is now official policy or even what is being seriously countenenced in official circles, then you people have an obligation to begin to inform the public of whats coming down the line (as opposed to mere kiteflying in the Irish Times). Also what about practical preparations given we’ll be manning a border the equivalent of that which exists between Poland and Ukraine? Repeating the mantra that “the Brits started it” will only wash for so long once the full extent of the economic and political ramifications kick in.


#5629

Just to make sure we’re understanding this right …


Helen of Troy … … … … … … … … Arlene Foster


#5630

News to me and id assume most others that No Deal and the attendant imposition of a hard border, followed by a modern version of the siege of Troy, potentially over a decade or more, is not what we are seeking to avoid.

I’d suggest that that is because you haven’t been paying attention - it has been clearly communicated that a temporary hard border us much more preferable than an accepted and therefore permanent hard border.

It has been official policy since prior to the brexit referendum.

Also what about practical preparations given we’ll be manning a border the equivalent of that which exists between Poland and Ukraine?

There will be a transition period where UK SPS rules are similar to those in the EU where checks are less urgent, border personnel will be trained up etc. and initial relaxations on an emergency transitional basis from the EU.

Repeating the mantra that “the Brits started it” will only wash for so long once the full extent of the economic and political ramifications kick in

Yet again: there is only ONE way that that can be avoided - regulatory alignment between NI and the Republic. Literally no-one in the world has another effective solution. If you do, I bet you could easily sell the idea to the Irish and UK government for at least €5 billion. If you do so, please give me 5% for the suggestion. If you don’t, then " the perfidious Brits are once again reneging on their undertakings and f**king about in Ireland" is the best response to the re-imposition of the hard border.
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#5631

EU officials: No basis for ‘meaningful’ UK Brexit talks

So that’s a wrap, as they say in the movies. A little over two months (once everyone comes back from the holidays) to the big ‘crash out’, whooo!


#5632

Yep, for the hard of reading:
Boris and the Brexiteers have no interest in an agreement; a hard Brexit is what they want as it solidifies their vote.
The British Parliament will no confidence Boris in September as no deal appears likely.
He’ll call a GE for November.
The UK will crash out at the end of October and he’ll rule by fiat until then.


#5633

Polly Toynbee in the Grauniad seems to think that Labour + Everyone Else could form a government of national unity after a successful vote of no confidence. I’m not sure that’s how it works. The government gets to try to restore confidence for 14 days after which it must dissolve parliament and call an election. There’s no rule – afaik – that says anyone else gets to try to form a government. They might hope Johnson would step aside in the face of majority opinion but, seeing as he claims that Parliament is perverting the will of the people, that’s unlikely to cut any ice with him. Indeed, it’s hard to see that this exact timetable wasn’t all part of his cunning plan from the beginning, given his sudden change of no-deal Brexit odds from “a million to one against” to a practical certainty.


#5634

I’ve said it before, but there will be no Brexit in a meaningful sense. Once the Brexiteers in the Tory party reveal a way to (at least partially) save face, and prevent lasting damage to their core vote the government will be allowed to collapse in some form.

The United Kingdom will face a departure before the EU does through a meaningful Brexit.

Nicola Sturgeon calls for ‘progressive alliance’ with Jeremy Corbyn to stop Brexit and ‘lock the Tories out of government’

The Scottish First Minister said she would do a deal with Labour to ‘lock the Tories out of government’.

But she warned that Mr Corbyn would have to take a ‘very firm anti-Brexit position’ in order for the parties to work together.

She also did not rule out demanding a fresh independence referendum as the price of SNP support.


#5635

A no deal doesn’t solve any of the outstanding issues or its Good Friday obligations. It also puts the UK in a weaker negotiating position regarding trade deals.

Johnsons gamble could be to call an election, ditch the DUPs and put a border down the Irish Sea i.e. Give it special status. With energy, proactiveness and other BS managerial speak.