Calais situation / Refugees, Syria and something else?


That wasn’t Lyndon Johnson’s view.
Nor do I think certain demographics have attained equality under the law in the first place. Jim Crow still casts a shadow: voter suppression being one manifestation, that’s ever present.

I really do see the same questions and tensions being played out, over and over.


There was inequality under the law during Johnson’s presidency. Civil rights was therefore a “liberal” cause for a least part of his tenure.
The arguments that “voter suppression” is a problem in the 21st century are not comparable to those in the mid 20th.


I think the facts don’t bear this out.

The methods are more sophisticated, and there is more of an element of plausible deniability to it, but if it quacks like a duck…

Point is, this very debate we are having is the kind of argument and back-and-forth I am talking about…round and round we go, generation after generation.


Absolutely we are having the same argument generation after generation.
The only point I was making was that the “liberal” position shifted from one side to the other once equality under the law was obtained.
If you lobbied in the past to maintain preferential treatment under the law for whites, established churches and other vested interests then this was illiberal. Once the law is adjusted to treat all equally then those lobbying for preferential treatment for other groups (even if they were groups that were previously disadvantaged by unequal legal standing) become the illiberal ones.

I don’t agree that voter suppression now is comparable to the 1960’s.


Can you give me an example of these (illiberal) groups, for illustration?


This sort of argument


You’re comparing some nurses doing their jobs to Japanese pensioners sacrificing their lives to almost certainly die from radiation poisoning? Not really comparable, is it?


Was waiting for that… :roll_eyes:

How many medical personnel have died in Europe due to Covid19? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:


I find your response callous, myopic, uninformed and entitled.


In hindsight my comment is quite harsh. My apologies if I’ve offended anyone.


We only have half a million on the dole, but the open borders agenda can never be tempered

Coalition of firms and unions calls for regularisation of undocumented workers

Open letter to FG and FF highlights importance of those who are undocumented, many of whom are in frontline sectors

A coalition of business leaders, trade unions and community groups is calling for the “urgent regularisation” of undocumented workers, many of whom are in frontline essential sectors.

In an open letter to Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil, the main parties expected to form the next government, the 21 national organisations – including Chambers Ireland, the Restaurant Association of Ireland, Family Carers Ireland, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU) and the Migrant Rights Centre of Ireland – say “now, more than ever, the Covid-19 pandemic has shown us that we are dependent on each other”.

“Undocumented workers have stepped up and continue to work providing essential services in this crisis. They are working in sectors where Ireland needs workers right now – in elder care, healthcare, retail, cleaning, food processing, agriculture and fishing.”

These workers “remain on the margins”, they add. “Providing a pathway for children, young people and workers who are ‘undocumented’ to regularise their status must now form part of [a] new programme for government.”


How the Unions can put their name to issues like this never ceases to amaze me. It’s clearly keeping labour costs down and hurting job prospects for their members…but the ideology must win out.

Papers yesterday also had a request from the Farmers Associations looking to bring 1,500 farm workers in for the fruit/veg season from Romania/Eastern Europe.

It’s so pathetic, all you can do is laugh at the madness of it all.


Calling out the industry for what it is

Direct provision firms paid €1.3bn as former minister says system changes were blocked
By Aoife Moore, Daniel McConnell, Paul Hosford, and Ken Foxe

Private firms have been paid over €1.3bn to provide direct provision accommodation, with several contractors earning more than €100m from the taxpayer.

Figures obtained by the Irish Examiner from the Department of Justice reveal that the Government spend on direct provision, introduced as a temporary solution in 2000, has more than doubled in the past five years from €53.2m in 2014 to €130m in 2019.

The revelations come as former Labour minister Aodhán Ó Ríordáin claims he faced strong resistance to delivering change to the direct provision system when in office.

As of March 1, 5,645 people were being accommodated in the 39 direct provision centres nationwide.

Today, for the first time, we publish the total amount of monies paid to private operators since the system began in 2000 and reveal the identities of the biggest earners who have rolling contracts with the State.

  • The largest earner in terms of government-contracted accommodation is Mosney Holiday PLC. Director Phelim McCloskey and his wife Elizabeth are the owners of the former Butlin’s holiday camp, and were paid just under €140m between 2000 and 2018. In 2019, they were paid a further €10.8m;
  • East Coast Catering, owned by Canada-based Irishman Patrick O’Callaghan, running direct provision centres in Dublin and Dundalk, was paid €130m up to 2018 and received a further €11m in 2019;
  • Bridgestock Ltd, which has housed more than 500 asylum seekers in Ballyhaunis, Co Mayo, and in Sligo was paid €109,457,663 between 2002 and 2017 and a further €7m in 2019.
  • Millstreet Equestrian Services, with an address in Tipperary, provides accommodation under the direct provision system in Cork, Tipperary, and Waterford, with directors listed as Noel C Duggan and Thomas A Duggan. The company was paid €77,244,129 by the State from 2000 to 2017. In 2019, it was paid a further €11.6m.

The full cost of running the facilities will vary from centre to centre, depending on capacity, among other factors, and are tendered out to other operators, meaning the bill for the direct provision system is much higher than €1.3bn.

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Store-risk metrics include average store compensation, average total store sales, and a “diversity index” that represents the racial and ethnic diversity of every store. Stores at higher risk of unionizing have lower diversity and lower employee compensation, as well as higher total store sales and higher rates of workers’ compensation claims, according to the documents.


Locals take legal action to close direct provision centre in Cahersiveen

105 people seeking international protection were transferred to centre during pandemic

Legal proceedings are being taken by locals in Cahersiveen to shut down the direct provision centre to which 105 people seeking international protection were transferred during the pandemic.

The matter is to come before the Circuit Court in Tralee next week.

Ciaran Quinlan of Renard, Cahersiveen has instructed solicitor Padraig O’Connell to proceed to take an injunction against the operator of the centre at the Skellig Star Hotel, the solicitor has confirmed.

It is expected other individuals and business people in Cahersiveen will join in the proceedings, Mr O’Connell said.

Residents of the centre as well as local people have been campaigning to close it down. At least 25 people within the centre have now tested positive for Covid-19 since arriving in Cahersiveen.

There is no more


We’ve lost France. Who’s next I wonder? Will Ireland have a similar problem in ten or twenty years now that the traitorous Irish government have opened their borders to the 3rd World? :suicide:


UK and Sweden.


Jean Dussine, president of the association for the assistance of migrants was murdered on May 12th, I stopped laughing only to wonder what he might have done to enrage the young “Afghan”. I’m sure it will remain a mystery


Can’t disparage the Farage. The man goes out there. Shows what is happening.


Giving legal status to 17,000 migrants discussed at talks

Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and the Greens are discussing plans to give up to 17,000 undocumented migrants legal status in Ireland as part of their programme for government talks.

The parties are in talks to establish a regularisation scheme for undocumented migrants in Ireland. Under draft plans, the criteria for a such a scheme would be set out, subject to it being compliant with EU and Common Travel Area obligations, within 18 months of the new government taking office.

While there has been no final agreement, a source involved in the talks said a commitment to setting up a scheme would be a “big win” for migrants’ rights campaigners.

Fianna Fáil and the Greens have previously supported calls for a regularisation scheme for the estimated 15,000-17,000 undocumented people in Ireland, including 2,000-3,000 of these who are children.

Fine Gael has been more sceptical of such a measure, previously arguing it could have “unintended and expensive consequences”.

ts manifesto said it would work to identify “appropriate legal pathways” for the undocumented to regularise their status.

A second source involved in the discussions said the current Covid emergency would be the ideal time to set up a scheme as these migrants cannot leave the country at present. Undocumented migrants are typically those who have arrived on a time-limited visa but who remained in the State after it expired.

The Migrant Rights Centre Ireland (MRCI) says 93pc of undocumented migrants are in work, including as many as 29pc who work as carers.

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