Coronavirus 2020


look, whole EU is f… PPE is missing everywhere Italy, UK, Spain, Sweden… People should go to jail for this stuff.

Everyone knew, nobody acted.


Under what laws could they have done this at the time?

We can’t even deport known Islamic terrorists to the swamps they came out of - it might affect their “human rights”.

Back in the 1990s and 2000s there was a marked increase in HIV/AIDS coming in from Africa but dare mention it and you’d be considered a 'wacist.

(And I’d be the first to agree that the idea of open borders and “freedom of movement” was a daft idea and is probably history.)


Another work colleague of my wife is married to a nurse who caught C19. The partner now has it and has lost their sense of smell and taste. The nurse had lost both too. They say it’s really odd they put a bottle of bleach to their nose and can’t smell a thing. They ate some chilli, could feel the burning sensation but couldn’t taste it. I’m reading that, that is quite a common symptom how come it’s not listed?


We could have done this but we would still have to do testing and tracing. Its impossible to think that not one infected person would get through, with an earlier border shutdown and mandatory quarantine.
And later to reopen borders to allow some movement of people and services, we are going to need these systems in place.


I was talking about the benevolent dictatorship in my head lol.

But I am serious. The mismanagement of this by Leo and Arlene has been shocking.

Another thing. This wishy washy advice on facemasks ? ‘wear it if you want…may stop you spreading but not getting it etc’ Facemasks fucking work !


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Kung Flu - Gaming the Matrix?

Thats one of the techniques used in ICU - I would have been dialling 999 long before I got to that phase


AI has ‘hit a plateau’ in terms of innovation even according to academics, in other words it’s a facade for the then latest generation of technologies/algorithims that could be scaled like never before. Just because we can run queries across vastly larger data sets and we have clever ways of storing answers that allow other questions to be answered doesn’t mean we are any closer to Skynet.



We’ve carried out ~20K tests here in Ireland. ~95% coming back as negative.

This begins to upset the theory that it is widespread, just in mild form going unnoticed, with similar serious cases as the flu etc.

In the last week, since figures have been available for hospitalisations, it looks like this.


I would have thought those kind of high percentages would be coming right down by now with that level of testing and time passed. Quite worrying.

But at least there doesn’t seem to be an indication yet that we’re going exponential. Number of cases day by day still looks pretty linear. Which says to me the existing measures appear to be working fairly well, hopefully bringing the rate of transmission below one person infecting one other person on average, which is the biggest thing it seems to me.

That said the apparent deficiencies in proactive testing and contact tracing is also very concerning. Probably much more so in the more disadvantaged, poorer communities, where the social isolation measures are clearly not succeeding as well as in the better areas.

Death rate obviously is a lagging indicator. I wonder how much it lags, roughly. A month?


They simply don’t have the capacity to test everyone - Dr Holohan stated yesterday that they are receiving 20,000 requests for tests every day - most coming back negative. We’ve conducted 20,000 tests in total.

Anecdote alerts !!! One mate has been waiting for a test for 9 days, he has a head cold but is livid that he hasn’t been tested. Apparently Leo and the HSE are a disgrace because they haven’t sent a team in hazmat suits to his house. I know another lady who had a HSE ambulance car come to her house and take swabs as she was to unwell to get to a center. She was guzzling Gin and stuffing her face with chocolate that night. That test was negative. The testing centers can process an few hundred people a day and they have to separate thees spoofers from the real cases.

I disagree about the contact tracing, so far it is working as we are not seeing exponential growth. With similar populations Wales and Scotland have more deaths than we do, and their health systems are starting to creak - we are still on top of this and hopefully we remain so.


Anecdotally again, I know of what I would say is a definite case. - Contacts with both Spanish and Italians. In a business where conditions for transmission were ripe. And he had all the symptoms.

He phoned the day before the first lock-down, told them everything, and was told they were sending a car out. But nothing happened since. I would say too there’s likely a cluster gone out from that point.

So my conjecture is they’re testing in the cities like mad, Dublin and Cork, and this is consuming all their time and resources so that the rest of the country is going under the radar.

But it’s important to tie these clusters down. Not tying them down creates a point of failure, and all it takes is one such point, e.g. How an Austrian ski resort helped coronavirus spread across Europe

I’m not denying the heroism and sacrifice of those rolling out the tests, but we need to get on top of it in these aspects, as it’s not only about the numbers of tests.

And to compound the problem in this aspect of these type of clusters propagating, the Irish are not telling people where the known clusters are (in South Korea they have apps that people have on their phones so they can avoid these ‘hot-spots’ etc.). The Irish are even now still using language like, “in the east of the country”…

I do hope we are on top of it, we may be, but it’s still too early to be sure of it.


Whatever we can say about Varadkar and co, we started earlier than other countries. Simple as that. So there is potential that a lot of cases have been and will be be averted. It would have been better if bars and restaurants had been closed prior to the 13/14 March weekend, rather than right after, but that ship sailed.

But, and only time will tell, perhaps we were able to avoid a calamitous outcome.


The lack of positives is quite scary. It means the figures of 14% serious, 5% critical may well be true. With even the serious requiring hospital treatment… It may be that “close contact” has to be quite close in the early (asymptomatic) stages - a kiss on the cheeks, dancing the night away in an apres ski, or cheek to jowl in a crowd at Cheltenham.


But the figure of serious/critical for Ireland is currently 2.5% and death rate is 0.5% of those tested. Often the more severe cases are those that show up first.
The Diamond Princess had a 20% infection rate of an elderly and susceptible population. There could be a decent amount of people in the population who simply will not get infected with this.
Part of Ireland’s figures comes from people being tested that had zero symptoms and had just been abroad like that friend of mine. She had zero symptoms and just wanted to get tested and she did get tested. It seemed easy for her to get tested and impossible for another friend of mine and his family to get tested as they had not been abroad even though they have many of the symptoms.
I wonder how accurate the test is also given there were a lot of false negatives in other countries.
I believe UK is going to hand out 3.5 Million tests in the next week or so. That will be the first time we really get an accurate view of the true infection rate across a society. If of course the test kits are accurate.
Iceland is also showing much lower figures than 14% serious, 5% critical with just 1.5% falling into that bracket.
Incredible how the earlier testing starts and the more widespread the testing is how much lower the deadliness of the virus gets.


I think its a function of the the young and middle aged being much more mobile; within countries and between countries, so they get it first and act as an ongoing reservoir of the virus.
Unless the younger cohort are tested and isolated early, the elderly, immunocompromised and others with serious conditions then come into increasing contact with the virus, and the death rate goes up.


Amazing that Sweden is an outlier in their approach to this whole thing, with life carrying on pretty much as normal (with some restrictions.) I don’t see any of our left-leaning politicians or commentators urging us to follow the Swedish Way - as they do in so many other areas of social policy. Could they be taking the right approach?

Right or wrong, Sweden does not seem to have a worse virus problem than its neighbours, according to the numbers of declared cases.



Sweden has become an international outlier.

Mentioning the perceived virtues of anything Sweden does is one of those liberal dinner party clichés…

(IMHO, it’s too early to tell.)


are you sure about it?

Coronavirus Cases: 3,279
Deaths: 14
Recovered: 6

Coronavirus Cases: 2,840
Deaths: 71
Recovered: 16

Deaths per 1M:
Norway 3 vs Sweden 7
cases per 1M:
605 vs 281
70 vs 176

Same as in other places very hard to compare raw numbers…


As of Today Sweden have 71 deaths and 176 in serious/critical condition. Which column that 176 end up in, not the mention the others coming behind, will be very revealing.


Belarus also continuing as normal…Lukashenko claiming its a psycjosis…