Coronavirus 2020


#1300

But the figure of serious/critical for Ireland is currently 2.5% and death rate is 0.5% of those tested. Often the more severe cases are those that show up first.
The Diamond Princess had a 20% infection rate of an elderly and susceptible population. There could be a decent amount of people in the population who simply will not get infected with this.
Part of Ireland’s figures comes from people being tested that had zero symptoms and had just been abroad like that friend of mine. She had zero symptoms and just wanted to get tested and she did get tested. It seemed easy for her to get tested and impossible for another friend of mine and his family to get tested as they had not been abroad even though they have many of the symptoms.
I wonder how accurate the test is also given there were a lot of false negatives in other countries.
I believe UK is going to hand out 3.5 Million tests in the next week or so. That will be the first time we really get an accurate view of the true infection rate across a society. If of course the test kits are accurate.
Iceland is also showing much lower figures than 14% serious, 5% critical with just 1.5% falling into that bracket.
Incredible how the earlier testing starts and the more widespread the testing is how much lower the deadliness of the virus gets.


#1301

I think its a function of the the young and middle aged being much more mobile; within countries and between countries, so they get it first and act as an ongoing reservoir of the virus.
Unless the younger cohort are tested and isolated early, the elderly, immunocompromised and others with serious conditions then come into increasing contact with the virus, and the death rate goes up.


#1302

Amazing that Sweden is an outlier in their approach to this whole thing, with life carrying on pretty much as normal (with some restrictions.) I don’t see any of our left-leaning politicians or commentators urging us to follow the Swedish Way - as they do in so many other areas of social policy. Could they be taking the right approach?

Right or wrong, Sweden does not seem to have a worse virus problem than its neighbours, according to the numbers of declared cases.


#1303

Sweden…

Sweden has become an international outlier.

Mentioning the perceived virtues of anything Sweden does is one of those liberal dinner party clichés…

(IMHO, it’s too early to tell.)


#1304

are you sure about it?

Norway
Coronavirus Cases: 3,279
Deaths: 14
Recovered: 6

Sweden
Coronavirus Cases: 2,840
Deaths: 71
Recovered: 16

Deaths per 1M:
Norway 3 vs Sweden 7
cases per 1M:
605 vs 281
Serious/critical:
70 vs 176

Same as in other places very hard to compare raw numbers…


#1305

As of Today Sweden have 71 deaths and 176 in serious/critical condition. Which column that 176 end up in, not the mention the others coming behind, will be very revealing.


#1306

Belarus also continuing as normal…Lukashenko claiming its a psycjosis…


#1307

And Brazil…


#1308

But Johan Giesecke, Sweden’s former state epidemiologist and a current advisor to the World Health Organization, insists that, so far, “there is no indication that we need to fear a breakdown in trust.” He believes the Public Health Agency, which he once headed, has been too drastic rather than too lenient.

“Banning public gatherings is an idiotic idea,” said Giesecke, “and if you’re not feeling sick you should go to work or school. There’s no reason why people who feel well should stay at home and there is no evidence that shows closing national borders or restaurants reduces the spread of viruses. The only preventative measure that has sound scientific backing is washing your hands. But we’ve known that for 150 years.”


#1309

I would’ve thought so too. She’s much better now, exhausted though.


#1310

Maybe it’s all the Refugee’s in Sweden that are making them Corona resistant!


#1311

Contagion is on ITV2 tonight at nine

Good film, worth a look


#1312

In January the UK government decided covid-19 belongs to its disease category “High Consequence Infectious Diseases” (HCID).
One week ago, the UK government decided covid-19 no longer belongs to that category, categorising it instead along with influenza and common cold. That decision was made before the UK was locked down.
It is said the UK government changed the category because strict protocols are already in place for how to deal with HCID; removing that category enabled an entirely new set of protocols to be implemented, i.e. lock down the country. But this is only speculation, as the matter does not seem to have been addressed at all by the UK’s ‘mainstream’ media. Plenty of discussion on tweeter however.


#1313

Don’t know what to make of this…if I understand the term “median” correctly - half those who died are older than 79?

The Department of Health has confirmed the deaths of 10 more people diagnosed with Covid-19, and a further 255 new cases.

It brings the total number of deaths in Ireland to 19.

To date, 13 males and 6 females with the virus have died. The median age among those is 79.


#1314

From 2018


#1315

Guess they havent heard of the south korean church or alpine apres ski joints spread it like typhoid Mary. Once we can seal the borders its on them.

Denmark should shut the bridge if it hasn’t already


#1316

Yeah they resist a lot those guys

I think Sweden just couldn’t lock down so it’s better off not to try


#1317

#1318

Yes, Median is better than Mean as it strips out any outliers. So half who died were over 79, half under.

You might have had 5 over 100 years old there and 5 in 20s but the mid way came to 79


#1319

Isn’t it fair then to assume then that the majority of the half who were over 79 - weren’t much over 79? And that the majority of the half under 79 weren’t much under 79?