Coronavirus 2020


#2416

I was just looking at the WHO COVID scare page and it appears that Iran is being hit by a second wave and India is about to explode!


#2417

Pressure building for the politicians to take back control…

It is understood that there was a “robust” discussion on the issue at Cabinet today.

Some ministers were advocating the adoption of World Health Organization guidance, which states that a one-metre distance is considered to be safe.

At Cabinet, it is understood that the so-called “civil libertarian” ministers called for a speedy relaxation of the rules along the lines of what the WHO are recommending.

Their calls came amid growing frustration at Ireland’s hardline restrictions, especially when authorities have said the Covid-19 has been suppressed.


#2418

Two-metre social distancing rule was ‘conjured out of nowhere’, professor claims

Advice to keep two metres apart while social distancing was ‘conjured up out of nowhere’, a government adviser has claimed.
Robert Dingwall, of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG), says there has ‘never been a scientific basis for two metres’, naming it a ‘rule of thumb’.

NERVTAG is an expert committee of the Department of Health (DH) that feeds into the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), which is advising the cabinet on the country’s coronavirus response.

Speaking to Radio 4 on Saturday, Mr Dingwall said: ‘We cannot sustain [social distancing measures] without causing serious damage to society, to the economy and to the physical and mental health of the population.

There is more


#2419

There is no law pertaining to this 2M social distancing conditioning meme that I can find in the legislation (please link if there is as I am open to correction), only specification of radius of allowed travel and requirement to have a reasonable excuse to leave your detention box, basically denial of freedom of movement stuff population wide and the reason is probably because anyone could then report an offender and sure, that would not even be workable and simple chaos, so it has to be slight of hand in it’s application, i.e. propaganda.

All Leo-in-name-but-not-in-nature, who will “try” to have a meeting with who, himself in the mirror? No the unelected and therefore tyrannical medical assembly ruling the 26 counties - the truth is, all he has to say is the word, and it is done but Harris has that power now.

What clowns we have, fighting over imagery rules while ignoring the constitutional crisis reduced to a “ding dong” and the decay of the economic vitality but most importantly the vitality of the people, becasue the law of unintended consequences, is a politicians natural blindspot excepting their own ass - no virus should suspend the Republic but sure, first sign of trouble and it’s handbags down.

As for this characterisation of the “civil libertarian” wing of TD’s at cabinet level, ffs, we’re only short of seeing them portrayed as “alt right”.


#2420

Its also galling as many of the cabinet are unelected and certainly not TDs. Civil libertarians? I assume this is a form of insult from the uncivil totalitarian lock em up crowd.


#2421

I don’t know about this - earlier on in this thread @jmc quoted a rake of peer reviewed articles that suggested that indoors or in relatively still air the influenza virus hung around for considerable period of time - this suggested to me that indoors the further away you were from anyone the better and the two metres looked a bit on the low side so I can agree on their being no scientific basis for 2 metres but there doesn’t seem to be a scientific basis for less than 2 metres so trying to use ‘science’ as a basis for less than one metre makes equally no sense. Now there is a scientific basis to suggest that coronavirus is not equivalent to influenza and therefore the rules can be different but in which direction without evidence. Personally I think a shorter distance outdoors make sense but then again how do you make the case.


#2422

A Bert II 'ism, that will come back to haunt us all?

“I am concerned that there is a growing belief that we can as a country borrow cheaply forever and that this is the solution to all our problems. This is the “free money” argument and it is coming from the right as well as the left. There is, however, no such thing as free money. Borrowed money, debt, has to be serviced, that is, the interest on it must be paid every year. This will be a new and recurring charge on our public finances and it will have to paid.”

Mr Varadkar said that he was not comfortable with the idea of refinancing to push the debt further down the road.

"Some will say this does not matter because it is a problem for someone else in ten, 20 or 30 years’ time. I do not agree with that attitude. That someone will be us or, if not us, our successors, children and grandchildren. "

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin said that while the economic impact was “unprecedented” but said that there must be a public sector bailout.

"The overwhelming feedback we are getting from the small and medium enterprise, SME, sector is that there has been no response to the core crisis they are facing, and this is particularly true of the domestic non-exporting SME sector, along with the firms that are exporting.

"Our public sector must be treated fairly too. We cannot allow public companies and places like third level institutions and universities to be undermined by carrying massive new debt and being forced into major cutbacks. We must have a public sector bailout that is comprehensive and fair. "


Archived link: http://archive.is/eLVaM


#2423

#2424

I see that the WHO have enhanced their website https://covid19.who.int/
You can now select the types of graph to show additional information like “cases per million of population”

Ireland looks very bad on this chart. Could their methodology be wrong, as it appears only to have countries with small populations in this list.


#2425

Fascinating, if somewhat depressing, article on the complexities of Covid-19 from a medical standpoint. https://www.bbc.com/news/52760992


#2426

Ireland looks just the same as European countries of any scale (Andorra and Holy See excluded). On deaths per 1m population, Ireland is way better than the European countries shown. Why do you think it looks very bad?


#2427

yep, tell it to welfare caste :stuck_out_tongue: (corpo or social welfare…)


#2428

Varadkar chills in the Phoenix Park. We must be nearly there now


#2429

#2430

I saw this last night, had no problem because Leo was not breaking the law… but it now appears to be gone!

What is gone?

A video capturing Leo Varadkar with 3 males in the Phoenix park, catching rays and apparently touching. :whistle:

Click here to compare to the coverage of Trump in similar circumstance.

Vs

(contains another tweet with the original video)


Meanwhile Cork had a social distancing competition for bored youth at the weekend.

More linked content here - https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/massive-teenage-brawl-in-cork.35844/


#2431

I was thinking those “civil libertarian” loons at Cabinet were kind of handed Leo on a plate here, when you put Fridays reporting (below) in context as previously posted.

Archived link: http://archive.is/hHk4r

Great weather for canvassing for a General Election and a good chance of a high turnout too. Ideal conditions.


#2432

Do as we say…


#2433

You have to wonder, we live in a world were everyone has a phone with a camera that can record moving images.

Even more bizarre is The Taoiseach has recourse to the beautiful house + grounds of Farmleigh with extensive land and gardens that may be made private while also adjoining the Phoenix Park (something I believe they tried to get Bertie to use more for security reasons and he refused it possibly as a permanent residence while Taoiseach - I guess he had far superior instincts, maybe he learned that from Haughey ya dig…), here Leo could have had the identical experience, within the grounds, possibly closed off minus the public adoration, it would have been a very private affair for him and his mates, but he wandered out into the main section of the Park, were everyone has a phone with a camera that can record moving images.

Perhaps in his attempt to be “one of the people” he ended up (rather stupidly) creating the very opposite in optics.

You have to wonder.


#2434

So for all you conspiracy lovers we have the ‘Great Dommo’ as Dominic Cummings (Boris’ favourite little friend) -

  1. It was deliberate - Dommo is acting on orders to undermine the UK Coronovirus response - ‘fuck this - if Dommo can drive 260 miles to see his Mam - so can I’ and Bingo! we’ve got the herd immunity Boris and Dommo have so long desired - having both got it Boris and Dommo will assume themselves immune
  2. Dommo had to go to talk to GSK in Barnard Castle to get them onside for the UK/US medical deal where all the NHS purchases magically go up to the list price
  3. Dommo was an idiot but Boris can’t sack him because of a previous incident between Boris and Dommos missus that Boris would rather not have public

Pick your choose. It might be that Leo is trying to fly option number 1 as well by the way. The pressure of the wealthy is on them all at this stage.


#2435

Couldn’t really care less what Leo Varadkar does with his spare time, and he needs his downtime like everyone else but he brings this on himself as he comes across as so sanctimonious and this was his own spokeswoman last week:

Last week Department of the Taoiseach Assistance Secretary General Liz Canavan urged people not to have picnics at nature trails and beaches.

She said: “If you’re visiting a public amenity try not to stay too long at the site or have picnics. Please do your exercise and then go home.”