You have to hand it to the Chinese in fairness. There is a lot they did right.
…The Chinese government’s quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens… sealing off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery.
China’s government was not the only one that took extreme measures to protect its citizens from risk and exposure. During the pandemic, national leaders around the world exed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks…
There is a lot we could learn to combat the second wave. What have the Irish government done on that front? Have they even communicated to compare notes with the Chinese???
Reminds me of the two old farts in the back row of the Muffets.
As Keynes famously said “When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do?”
And no it hasn’t changed that much. The main benefit from wearing a mask is to protect others. Depending on the quality of the mask and how tightly it is applied there may be some protection to the wearer. A properly fitted N95 mask is quite unpleasant to weak for any length of time. Other masks or face coverings will be more comfortable but will offer less protection
The draw back to mask wearing is that it may give a false sense of security: that the wearer is fully protected.
If there is a high incidence of the virus in your locality then nothing is as effective as social distancing.
But the incidence is very low in Ireland right now so as society reopens mask wearing is appropriate to reduce the reappearance of the virus.
The next step is to test trace and crucially isolate positive cases.
And this is where the West is different. Western countries whether in Europe or the Americas have been unwilling to forcibly isolate positive cases which will make mask wearing all the more important.
1.5 million people died from tuberculosis in 2018 and approximately 10 million people were infected. You’re 150 times more likely to die from TB than Covid 19. (Fatality rate of Covid is 0.1%, for TB it’s 15%). So have you been wearing a mask for TB (or MERS, SARS, swine flu) also?
This has nothing to do with preventing the spread of the virus. it’s all about compliance and keeping the population in fear. Next step is the mandatory biometric vaccine.
There’s little sense to the daily score-chart of confirmed cases. The numbers are so small that any conclusions that are drawn are meaningless. Today’s figures would suggest that busy, crowded Dublin is the safest place to be:
Nine cases are located in Co Limerick, eight in Co Kildare, seven in Co Mayo, six in Co Cavan, four in Co Dublin with the remainder spread across five other counties.
According to estimates, 290 000 new TB cases and 26 000 TB deaths were reported in the Region in 2016, mostly in eastern and central European countries.
Most affected groups
TB can affect everyone, but is strongly associated with social determinants of health such as imprisonment, migration and social marginalization. People living with HIV or suffering from other conditions that weaken the immune system, such as diabetes, are at much higher risk of developing the disease. TB patients are most frequently young adults in the eastern part of the Region, migrants, and native-born elderly people in western European countries.
TB is not all that contagious and we have an effective treatment for it. Sadly some countries may not have access to the treatment and some patients are non compliant. Treatment is usally a multidrug combination that has to be taken for a number of months.
And before we had an effective treatment the mainstay of management was ISOLATION
That’s what all the old TB hospitals were for
Here’s a review of TB and Covid in India. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/
On the relative infectiousness of TB and covid
"In time of the epidemic, it was observed that without isolation measures, one infected person could have infected 2.5 people in 5 days which in turn could infect 406 people over 30 days but with proper isolation & containment measures the transmission rate could be decreased to as low as 1.05.10 On the other hand, a person infected with TB has a lifetime risk of 5–15% of developing an active disease and an active TB patient could infect 10–15 people per year.5
So with covid 19 one person could lead to a chain of 406 people infected in 30 days whereas an active TB patient infects 10 to 15 people a year.
It also includes the following
The enthusiastic and mandatory use of masks in the wake of COVID-19 is adding a preventive benefit towards TB spread as well.
So maybe if I lived in or was visiting a region where TB is endemic I might wear a mask.
TB is not endemic in Ireland or anywhere in the West
First SARs Cov 2. The R0 in cluster spread is around 1.5. In community spread is less than 1.2. Novel epidemic influenza numbers. The S. Korean and Taiwanese numbers from March / April papers have been amply confirmed since and the low symptomatic / high asymptomatic rate for under 60’s and those with low COPE 65 scores gives us a CFR of less than 2% and an IFR of around 0.2%. Media age of death for those with severe viral pneumonia with active SARs 2 infection are the same as Norways, around 80 years old.
Now TB is a different matter. You may not have personal experience of TB but one of my kids got exposed to it in the United States, in California, and had to undergo a very painful 6 month treatment program. No fun for a five year old. TB was pretty much eradicated in the 1960’s but became epidemic again in the 1980’s due to illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America reintroducing it. TB is epidemic south of the border and illegals account for about 95% of the primary carriers. The other 5% are from the Philippines.
The state and national statistics refuse to acknowledge the problem because of the “politics”. My kid got infected through to a casual exposure to an illegal, who knows where, and it was only afterwards that I discovered just how common TB treatments for exposure are, especially for kids, due to this public health scandal. The illegals have got free healthcare in state for decades and where most of them live in state have little to fear from Los Migres so absolutely no excuse for non treatment. But as 90% of them are illiterate peasants hardly surprising.
As 10% of the Irish population is eastern european and TB is so prevalent in some parts of eastern europe I would not be so sure that you are immune to causal expose to an infected person in Ireland. But I would have far more faith in an eastern european with an infection seeking immediate medical treatment than the typical indio central american illegal immigrant.
There is no surprise that crowded indoor venues are the main source of spread. Its been known since early examples in S korea and Iscghl.
There has been a number in the uk associated with overcrowding in pubs
As well as cases associated with house parties in ireland.
Pubs can open and safety, with restricted numbers but once those breaking the restrictions should be fined/lose their licence.
We could always do a full reopening, followed by an enevitable full lockdown in a month or two.
Meanwhile, for those holding out for a vaccine (or those holding you prisoner until they have the one), this may be interesting interview - for some strange reason this snippet of the longer video has appeared under the “anonymous” brand. Strange.
It is actually from a much longer interview with RFK Jr, with lots more detail.
Since the age of 42, he has suffered with spasmodic dystonia, so his voice is very wobbly, not audio modulation of his voice for identity purposes which could be easily construed for the shorter version.