Coronavirus 2020

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#4318

8714 confirmed positive tests in the last week according to figures reported each night for the past week. Yet the Covid app says “In the last 7 days” Tests completed 103,883 and positive rate 13.1%. 13.1% of 103,883 is actually 13608. Are we getting the same guys who audited Anglo to do the figure? Does anyone know what is actually going on?

RTE also have this classic. “the five-day average now stands at 1,279 cases per 100,000 people.” rather than the 5 day average now stands at 1,279 cases. There’s no point complaining to RTE though as their PR will spin it that they do the best that they can with what limited resources they have. An urgent increase in the licence fee is needed if RTE is to maintain high standards. Heaven forbid their “journalists” check a story they file themselves.


#4319

Only 1600 or so, not enough. Ramp up the lie machine lads.


#4320

During the SARs CoV 1 outbreak in 2003 only one of the cluster outbreaks outside China (Amoy Gardens) did not involve either a hospital or medical staff. In all cases hospitals were the primary transmission vector. The hospital with the lowest transmission rate was the one hospital that was an old style hospital (no air con etc) in Hanoi.

This time around for the vast majority of early cases in the West it was hospitals that were the primary infection vector for large cluster outbreaks. And the one population who have by far the highest rate of admittance to hospitals are old people who live in cares homes. So the two biggest physical location vectors by a wide margin for actual SARs CoV 2 infections are directly connected with hospitals and medical staff.

This book has a good description of the process in Hong Kong hospitals in 2003 as they only got the hospital centered infection sources under control by going back to old style hospital antiseptic environment procedures. Just like they used before the 1970’s.

I strongly suspect that if we had old style hospitals, all tile walls and lino, smelling of medical alcohol and ruled with a rod iron by an old style ward-sister, that the number of SARs CoV 2 cased would have been a hell of a lot lower. Very small indeed.


#4321

I agree whole heatedly with the bits of the previous post that apply to this outbreak and Ireland. It seems likely to me that one potential way it got into nursing home’s was hospitals infecting then releasing patients into nursing homes created a near perfect storm. (Nursing Homes Ireland blocking visits was the one thing that stopped it being worse in the first wave). Air con rather than cross ventilation by windows and drafts made matters worse.
Anecdotal evidence but a nurse told me years back that hygiene reports in hospitals are routinely ignored. Mentioned doctors eating in canteen without changing blood stained scrubs. We’d have had a hell of a lot less MRSA too if we had militaristic ward-sisters in charge of hygiene.
Still we can have a hospital “cleaned cheaply” by outsourcing the job to cleaning companies that pay f all. What turnover is there of cleaning staff? What training do cleaning staff get? Are they given enough time to clean an area properly?


#4322

If you are a Chef or other Kitchen Staff worker it is illegal for you to wear your PPE uniform outside of your workplace. You must change and dress in an appropriate changing room.

Nurses, doctors etc. Nah, come as you are.

Science, reasons etc


#4323

The single biggest factor in viral pneumonia survival rates is the rate of secondary infections, hospital acquired infections (HAI) . Pretty much all the diffidence in severe viral pneumonia ICU survival rates this time around with SARs CoV 2 between europan countries can be accounted for by the differing HAI rate in the respective countries medical systems.

The countries which put a great effort into reducing HAI rates over the last decade or two had the best survival rates, those that did not have pretty bad survival rates. Some countries have ICU mortality rates two or three times higher than neighboring countries, all down to HAI rates. In some countries the single most effective treatment for someone in ICU is to pump them full of antibiotics. Because of the HAI’s.


#4324

Today’s figure for hospital admissions:

December Confirmed Case In Hosp. New Admission Discharged
Dec 31 491 51 41

Net change +10

Total Hospital confirmed cases, going from 454 yesterday to 491 today, is an increase of 37, minus the 10 net, are we left with the bulk of the increased cases, 27, all being existing hospital based admission converting to the C19 list after a time, which is approx 73% of the confirmed rises in cases presently in the hospital system.

That can’t be right can it? :thinking:


#4325

Todays latest figures tells us that we have a net increase of C19 Hospital admissions of 10, from an actual total of 51.

Latest daily cases recorded are 1,620, of which 1,569 are not overwhelming the Hospital system.

Is that a fair assessment or statement based on the current official figures?


#4326

Planning decisions are being made on incorrect data.
New admissions including Dec 1 to Dec 30 is 488. Discharged is 385 so expect an increase of 103 for that period in those confirmed in hospital but figure went up by 230. Busy hospitals are not prioritizing reporting figures correctly.

Decisions are being based on numbers produced by Covid tests (I get you and others on here have a huge problem with the validity of the tests but please park that argument for a moment) and we can’t even report those correctly. The figures need to have the kind of transparency that doesn’t have people who can add, subtract, multiply, divide and do basic percentages asking WTF?
“Professor Philip Nolan, said he estimates there are around 4,000 positive cases that have been reported by laboratories in the last few days but have yet to be officially confirmed.” and The CEO of the HSE Paul Reid has said “The real picture over the last few days is most likely getting close to 3,000 cases a day”. This is accompanied by giving nightly figures and quoting on the covid app the % positive in the last 7 days not matching.

I have come to the conclusion the % positive is not based on the number of positive cases reported. I can only speculate its based on figures in the pipeline. For example suppose for yesterdays tests we might have only 1,500 results back and 300 or 20% came back positive. If 15,000 were tested yesterday the people behind the covid app presume a 20% rate for the entire population tested.

It should be noted the last single days positive rate I’ve heard on tests was 18.3% on 30th December when 14,000 tests a day were being carried this gives 2562 positive cases but figures reported were 1620. “In terms of testing, Prof Nolan said demand is very high, with around 14,000 per day. He told the briefing that the positivity rate is now higher than it was in the October peak during the second wave, and that yesterday 18.3% of tests taken came back positive.”


#4327

Nolan and Mathematics. Argument is over there.


#4328

In the UK the “positive” test results increased almost ten fold when mass testing was subcontracted out from NHS labs to private commercial testing labs. The labs where there was the multi whistle-blower scandals in the last few weeks, So any huge increase in positive rate will mostly likely be due to sloppy testing labs procedure and contaminated reagents, nothing else.

For reference given the likely current SARs CoV 2 prevalence rate (0.3% - adult) and that its height of flu season there are probably about currently 10K adults in Ireland with active infections , and 30K plus children. Even if every last one of them was identified and tested using RT/PCR the number of adult who tested positive might top 4K with a well run lab. 1K or 2K with a badly run lab.

Of those with an actual SARs CoV 2 infection at the moment maybe 20 might die over a 15 day period. In the same period last year at least 10 to 15 people would have died every day from pneumonia. Based on statistics from other countries at least 80% of deaths from SARs CoV 2 viral pneumonia are displacement cause deaths. As the death rate from SARs 2 infections went up the death rates from other viral pneumonia causes has gone down. So mostly very sick people just dying of one thing rather than another.

Which is why the total death rates have not gone up very much in almost all countries. Very much within the last two decades annual range. In the UK and Ireland they are actually near the lower end of the range for this year. Most likely due to much lower hospital admission rates than in normal years. Hospitals actual kill lots of people. Due to secondary infections and botched medical procedures.


#4329

#4330

Below, CDC guidance on death reporting.
The guidance defines ‘immediate cause of death’ as ‘the disease or condition that directly preceded death and is not necessarily the underlying cause of death (UCOD)’

Nowhere does the document use the term ‘straw that broke the camel’s back’, maybe because even that would be too strong a term to describe the role of covid in the dying of many terminally ill patients.


#4331

Up to 60% of US health workers are refusing to get COVID-19 vaccines | Daily Mail Online

Up to 60% of US health workers are refusing to get COVID-19 vaccines over fears of side effects

*** In Ohio, about 60 percent of nursing home staff say they will not get a COVID-19 vaccine **
*** In Los Angeles, between 20 and 40% of health care workers are refusing the shot**
*** About half of health workers in Riverside County, California, are saying ‘no’ **
*** Dr Fauci says a national vaccine mandate is unlikely, but that some institutions probably will choose to require vaccination**

Thousands of health care and frontline workers across the US are refusing to get COVID-19 vaccines as the rollout of the shots in America continues to sputter.

Up to half of health care workers in on California county and a Texas hospital say they will not get the shot, 60 percent of nursing home staff in Ohio are turning down the jab and 40 percent of frontline workers in Los Angeles won’t get it either, polls reveal.

Respondents to a number of surveys cite fears of dangerous side effects, health care worker forum posters say they feel they are being used as guinea pigs and experts blame misinformation.

Although life-threatening side effects are rare, examples of them cropped up in the first days of the vaccine rollout with two health care workers in Alaska - one of whom had no history of allergies - suffering anaphylactic shock minutes after getting the first dose of Pfizer’s vaccine.


#4332

If anyone has not figured it out yet it will be asymmetrical pressure and techniques to get it the genetic marker heavily marketed as a “vaccine”, that is a genetically modifying you (this is nothing but a phase 3 live trial disseminated across populations by all accounts) - an out right mandatory imposition would provoke the natural reflex to resist - but still, it is evident online that the majority are not buying the magical narratives, so more pressure may have to come to bare, more “events”, more “mutations”.

Wanna… fly/school/job/graduate/travel/sex/party/eat… etc. etc.

All the methods are insidious, and they require multi angle attacked, multi-faceted attack on the mass mind done over a period of time, it usually never comes from one angle or all at once (except when you need to run the Attack Of The Virus movie, a 9/11 for the mind), that is too obvious and violent, for example The Smoking Ban is the model.

The whole lockdown show is also built around leveraging one crucial faculty of successful western societies, the ability of most to “defer gratitude”, they design the whole compliance model based on this one primal and crucial ability, which has served us on the road to incredible survival success and civilisational achievements, but is now leveraged as the warden of our own (self) imprisonment.


#4333

Government to consider extending time between Covid vaccine doses (breakingnews.ie)

Government to consider extending time between Covid vaccine doses

The State is to examine if the time between the two required doses of Covid-19 vaccinations could be extended in order to accelerate the rollout, as is being done in the UK.

Prof Brian MacCraith, chair of the State’s Covid vaccine taskforce, told The Irish Times that the issue of increasing the gap between vaccine doses had been discussed by the group in recent days.

“On foot of our discussions, a formal request has been issued from [chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan] to request [the National Immunisation Advisory Committee, NIAC] explore the issue and provide some guidance on the matter.

“Given that we want to be as ambitious and effective as possible, and given the backdrop of rapidly rising numbers and our prioritised focus on the vulnerable in nursing homes and frontline healthcare workers, we have to consider all options,” he said.

Prof Karina Butler, the chair of the NIAC, told The Irish Times she was contacting counterparts in Europe and the UK to seek more data, which would have to support any recommendation or guidance on the matter.

“Current recommendations are based on the trial results where two doses 21 days apart were scheduled. The question is whether that gap could be lengthened to 28 days, as was used in the Moderna trial, or even longer, possibly six or 12 weeks.”

She said any decision would depend on what the data indicates, and would not “pre-empt” the process.

If such a step were taken, it could get the vaccine to more people more quickly.

The UK move has attracted criticism, and any similar move by Ireland would need regulatory approval, Prof Butler said, adding that those who have received their first dose would not be impacted.


#4334

Why would anyone consider taking a novel experimental genetic concoction that has a massive (probably incalculable to average person) risk, because “mind control”, is that it? hmm? Hmm??? Is that all it takes? :thinking:


#4335

Since December 1st, up to Jan 2nd (todays latest numbers), the average C19 case requiring ICU is 1.8 per day, with a a total of 60 people requiring ICU for this period.

The average for the year to date requiring ICU with, is 2.33 per day, a total of 622.

The highest figure for single day admission to ICU occurred early on at 30 on the 8th of April, 2020.

If you look at the dashboard “confirmed cases 56” in ICU appears to match the total daily cases requiring ICU for the period 2nd Dec 2020 - 1st of January 2021.

The daily column is a simple subtraction from the previous days total against the current days total, it is not included in the official datasets.

Here is the table for the period:

Date Total Cases Req. ICU Daily Cases Req. ICU
Dec 1 622 3
Dec 2 624 2
Dec 3 624 0
Dec 4 623 -1
Dec 5 628 5
Dec 6 628 0
Dec 7 630 2
Dec 8 630 0
Dec 9 633 3
Dec 10 638 5
Dec 11 641 3
Dec 12 641 0
Dec 13 641 0
Dec 14 641 0
Dec 15 647 6
Dec 16 649 2
Dec 17 653 4
Dec 18 654 1
Dec 19 654 0
Dec 20 654 0
Dec 21 654 0
Dec 22 659 5
Dec 23 660 1
Dec 24 662 2
Dec 25 667 5
Dec 26 669 2
Dec 27 664 -5
Dec 28 666 2
Dec 29 666 0
Dec 30 671 5
Dec 31 673 2
Jan 1 678 5
Jan 2 679 1

Today, Jan 2nd, total cases is a whopper all time high of 3,394! :fireworks:

1 submission to ICU.
4 Deaths

Comparing, April 2020 with Dec 2020 the numbers are as follows:

April 2020

Deaths Cases Tests
995 14,196 138,846

Dec 2020

Deaths Cases Tests
191 19,380 457,692

Src: data.gov.ie


#4337

The more you test the more cases you’re likely to find, but how many of the current positives were actually old cases from the start of 2020, the virus still inactive in their bodies?

The 5 fold reduction in deaths tells the story, the true April figures must be north of 70,000 assuming a similar death rate.


#4338

Maybe not 70k if you factor in the nursing homes quiet slaughter.