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#4606

Rollin rollin rollin, though those streams are swollen, keep those dawwgies rollin

Going to the airport to leave the State without a valid reason is now an offence

IT HAS NOW made a specific offence to travel to an airport to leave the country without a reasonable excuse.

The provision was introduced by way of a Statutory Instrument signed by Health Minister Stephen Donnelly on Friday and means that people in breach can now be subject to a fine of €500.

https://www.thejournal.ie/airport-travel-offence-5341465-Feb2021/
Archived link: https://archive.is/oM5Yz


#4607

Trapped. Can’t wait for the challenges.


#4608

Limerick GP Dr Pat Morrissey talks about the cost of speaking out against Covid19 measures and addresses the facts about masks and therapeutics.


#4609

Well based on the RyanAir case the judges will make up any old shit to justify the government actions.

The judge even went as far as to outline pretty clearly during the case the Color of Authority legal principal that is firmly established in US law and then came up with an utterly bizarre interpretation of the minister’s deliberately misleading actions. The wording of statuary instruments which are drafted to make it look like (without very careful reading) that the misters has legal authority which he actually does not have.

The judges interpretation, well we (the legal profession) would know that the minister does not have the power so everything is hunky-dory…The Attorney Generals argument that the statuary instruments are purely “voluntary” was accepted by the judge so RyanAir’s case had no merit. According to the judge.

Compete and total shite of course. So remember, the Attorney General argued in court that every last statuary instruments issued by the minister is purely voluntary compliance.

The judge said that the logical extension is that courts should also intervene when a government has, “by way of unequivocal statements, created the false impression that there is legislation in force which regulates certain activities when, in truth, there is no such legislation. Were this to happen, then the executive branch would be able to achieve a result which is similar in effect to legislation.”

In circumstances where members of the public will, inevitably, rely on official sources, such as government websites, “there is an obligation upon the government to ensure that it does not publish information” which creates the mistaken impression in this regard.

“The executive branch of government would not be entitled to short-circuit the statutory regime put in place by the legislative branch by creating the false impression that legally enforceable restrictions are in effect where this is not so,” he said.

The judge found, applying an objective test, that a person reading the advice would not be left with the impression that the request was legally enforceable.

Is there a judge in Ireland who is not a compete and total fucking mendacious c*nt?


#4610

Please aid my addled small brian - Which bit inferred voluntary compliance as you read it?


#4611

More hilarious shit from a now totally illegitimate regime… you’d wonder what kind of goods they have on all these players to keep them sticking with the plan.

Below again the alleged leaked plan via Canada… this appeared on the net around September 2020 or possibly earlier… take what you want from it but parts of it do conform to some of the highlights thus far, mutant strains, quasi-UBI (pup), restrictions increasing etc. etc.

Here is that text again, take it with a pinch of salt if you like.

Fw: LPC Strategic Committee LeakInboxLPC leaker <LPC_leaker@protonmail.com>1:47 PM (7 hours ago)toHello,

Original Message &#8208;&#8208;&#8208;&#8208;&#8208;&#8208;&#8208;
On Saturday, October 10, 2020 1:38 PM, REMOVED <REMOVED> wrote:

Dear *******,

I want to provide you some very important information. I’m a committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada. I sit within several committee groups but the information I am providing is originating from the Strategic Planning committee (which is steered by the PMO).

I need to start off by saying that I’m not happy doing this but I have to. As a Canadian and more importantly as a parent who wants a better future not only for my children but for other children as well. The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:

  • Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.

  • Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.

  • Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.

  • Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 - early January 2021

  • Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.

  • Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus ( referred to as COVID-21 ) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.

  • Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 - Q2 2021.

  • Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.

  • Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.

  • P rojected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.

  • Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor. One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians.

What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief.

This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided
to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program .

In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever.

The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass) .

Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”.

Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate.

When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely.

And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before.

In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not.

That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.


#4612

More nursing home deaths:

As in other homes, some of the residents who died are believed to have received their first dose of a Covid-19 vaccine and were due to receive their booster shot.


#4613

very sad news but does that imply a death from old age rather than covid, anyone who dies in this country now seems to be put in the covid numbers…


#4614

That article was a summary. Public transcripts for these cases dont seem to be available.

The RyanAir side made a whole set of claims which the legal council for the Government did not directly counter but tried every legal technicality available to them to have the case thrown out. The RyanAir case is clearly set out in the article but not the other sides but the shape and tone of the judges summary and judgement gives you a pretty good idea of what was said in court during the proceedings.

If the AG though that the government had full legal authority for the statuary instruments and those instruments had the same legal standing as the ministers statuary powers then that is exactly what the AG would have argued from the get go. There would have been no pissing about with legal technicality like justiciability etc. It would have been a straight forward, here is where it says we have the legal power, we win, now fuck off.

Instead we have a legal dance around technicalities by the AG’s legal council. The judge would not have made a statement in his decisions like…

The judge found, applying an objective test, that a person reading the advice would not be left with the impression that the request was legally enforceable.

without a direct challenge by the AG’s side if the AG thought for one moment that the statuary instruments in any way legally enforced involuntary compliance.

The judge threw out the RyanAir case because according to the judge any ordinary person reading the statuary instruments would know that they were purely voluntary.

This judgement is total bullshit because what impressed me when I read the statuary instruments was the lengths the drafters of the instruments went to make it look like they had legal authority which dont actually have. Even by the standards of obtuse government legal documents they are very impressive jobs at legal sleights of hand and very deliberately misleading texts. To an ordinary person, if they could actually plow through the texts of the statuary instruments with any real comprehension, they would certainly look like legally enforceable regulations. No different from speeding tickets. If you have lots of experience in reading very deliberately misleading legal documents you can see right through it immediately. All the standard legal tricks were used in the drafting process.

So yeah, the AG does not believe the statuary instruments are anything other than “voluntary”. Because he basically said so in court. Legally speaking.


#4615

So Sad, So Pointless and So Ignored. Although reported no-one , no-one joining dots. Families silenced.

It really would make you sick.


#4616

The mutants, they keep on coming!

We can only just hope the herd immunity kicks in before a really nasty variant goes “viral”.


#4617

The gardai don’t think they’re voluntary:frowning:


#4618

Well much is predicated on the Statutory Instruments, so if they are imaginary then that fits with the whole theme of the “shit show” as I heard of on GP describing it, when fables LARP - but this is BIG NEWS is true, is this true?

Are the Statutory Instruments a mater of my freedom my choice?

Are the Statutory Instruments nothing more than very grand guidelines adorned in pomp and circumstance?


#4619

I know. Its all part of the bluff and bullshit. And they know the can get away with it all the way to the top because there is zero actual legal protection of the legal rights of citizens.

The older I get the more I understand the political genius of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. The ruling elites in Ireland know they can act with utter impunity no matter how incompetent they are. There are never consequences.

When there are political and legal consequences this is the way it works…

The recall looks like its on and if any halfway viable alternative candidate is on the ballot Newsom is toast. Just like Gray Davis in 2003.


#4620

If it had not been for the utterly useless and corrupt Irish legal profession and judicial system the government Statutory Instruments etc would have been overturned long ago. The case against them is legally watertight. But it being Ireland the probability of getting a successful legal challenge through the Irish legal systems is basically nil.

Remember every last judge is purely a political appointee, even if they dont seem overly party political, and almost every last barrister and solicitor is more interested in protecting their long term legal career prospects than in looking after the legal interests of their clients. Because that is how Ireland works. Every rent seeking professions primary goal is to protect their turf. Nothing else. The rule of law and its execution is a very secondary matter.


#4621

Too busy with this bolloxology

It wasn’t funny 11 months ago either

Gardaí bust some moves after Swiss police challenge (rte.ie)


#4622

You can’t understate the snob effect amongst them too-a large part of the propagandising is the portrayal of dissenters as having low status. Tracey O’Mahoney has spoken on twitter about her difficulty finding a SC because she’s “the wrong type of client.”


#4623

100%. Compliance, mind control, linguistic programming. The psychology of this is incredible.


#4624

Again, watch the 2012 opening ceremony for the London Olympics to know who the Irish police serve and protect.


#4625

Are more people waking up do you think? As they make it more and more obvious?