Current Government Spend is up 33% since 2006

Irish current government spending in the 8 months to end of august hit an all time high:

Euros
2012: 28020 million
2011: 27250 million
2010: 26410 million
2009: 26859 million
2008: 26429 million
2007: 24327 million
2006: 21125 million
2005: 19068 million

source:finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=-1&CatID=5&UserLang=EN&m=19

All figures net of cap ex

Increase from 2006 to 2007 was split between health, 500 m, social 600m, education 600m

It’s a fiscal spending problem eejit. It’s salaries and social transfers but mainly salaries!!

Irish government spending is 33% higher than at peak of celtic tiger.

:open_mouth:

Sheer insanity.

You gotta think that at some point the wheels are really gonna come off that gravy train, and the resulting wreck will be catastrophic. Country is still in rampant Denial mode.

Source?

Exactly what I was going to say!
It’s not that I doubt your figures, but it’s good practice (I nearly want to use the word hygiene!) to put up the sources and I’d be interested to look into the details if the source materials offer more.

O’Reilly’s roll-back is not a great sign of things to come…

trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2012/0 … irish.html

Watching the Department of Education show on RTE on Monday, it was a telling fact that when the minister began a meeting with some representative group (I can’t remember which) he stated he can’t touch 70% of his budget because of the Croke park deal. If i was him I’d be starting every meeting with similar groups with this statement.

Equally Reilly has very little room for manoeuvre as a result. Not sure what % is spent on wages in his department but I’d expect it’s of a similar scale.

Try tackling a house fire with a bucket of water. You’re only going to slow the fire down not put it out.

Yet despite being in a Troika programme this is allowed to continue

Call a general election, those who want the budget balanced ASAP in fairest way (not the most political way) run under that banner. Those who believe we can reverse all the cuts etc yet somehow rely on a mythical money fairy run on that ticket

It was 80% of his budget that Quinn said he couldn’t touch, I believe. Absolutely fucking staggering.

O’Reilly’s rollback (in the grand scheme of things is minute) might actually be a good sign. Cutting services is not what needs to be done, but there is no avoiding the fact that cuts are required. Given that he is on record last week for saying that service cuts are inevitable when you can’t touch pay maybe we are getting near the tipping point.

Labour are in complete denial and are just hanging onto the CPA for dear life. FG seem to me to be hoping they can get as far as 2014 when CPA runs out and then get busy cutting pay. Can’t see the coalition hanging together through that though.

The electorate will tell you they want exactly that done. Just like they’ll tell you they are in favour of a broader based taxation system. But when give them what they asked for they go mental, because really, what they mean is that ‘fairness’ or tax reform should really only impact on other people and not them. Basically the electorate have the collective mental age of a spoilt 3 year old brat.

The right axis shows the totals and the left axis shows the individual department spending.

             A       B       C       D       E       F       G       H       I       J       K       L       M       N       O       P       Q       R
1994   15,366.9 4,849.5 2,953.2 2,547.4   760.2   278.6 1,055.0   683.5   341.4   552.0   489.8   125.5    63.5   220.4     0.0   119.0   193.3     0.0
1995   16,701.9 5,599.7 3,127.7 2,631.2   765.7   210.2 1,158.1   734.4   336.7   559.1   580.0   154.8    62.2   234.3     0.0   119.0   272.5     0.0
1996   17,442.4 5,655.7 3,136.7 2,800.0   834.0   179.0 1,218.3   901.9   307.0   592.2   889.0   176.8    67.3   232.3     0.0   120.7   116.2     0.0
1997   18,857.5 5,729.1 3,636.7 3,163.2   948.9   185.9 1,271.6   976.2   312.9   645.5   932.1   194.0   113.0   254.0     0.0   128.4   116.6     0.0
1998   20,512.3 6,017.4 4,124.6 3,460.0 1,128.7   196.7 1,307.5   971.1   414.8   662.3   994.5   217.1   160.7   292.3     0.0   163.5   127.3     0.0
1999   22,810.8 6,252.4 4,831.1 3,724.0 1,159.5   463.8 1,758.7 1,005.3   458.5   701.8 1,056.2   240.5   209.6   308.5     0.0   188.5   143.2     0.0
2000   26,077.1 6,680.5 5,656.0 4,233.2 1,307.9   509.3 2,263.5 1,050.1   600.4   758.9 1,343.8   291.3   251.0   335.9     0.0   251.8   204.5     0.0
2001   31,303.2 7,793.9 7,077.3 4,791.4 1,500.8   754.1 3,173.9 1,429.3   608.1   858.4 1,348.4   378.2   265.3   411.5     0.0   333.2   182.5     0.0
2002   35,808.4 9,463.0 8,353.2 5,390.5 1,641.9 1,543.3 2,806.5 1,348.3   624.2   861.3 1,423.9   501.4   432.8   418.5     0.0   423.5   220.9     0.0
2003   38,364.410,439.9 9,302.8 5,864.8 1,798.5 2,046.9 2,342.1 1,232.2   671.2   855.6 1,400.6   547.4   535.9   446.4     0.0   397.1   209.6     0.0
2004   40,750.611,249.410,069.1 6,597.3 1,919.5 1,961.4 2,258.9 1,259.0   726.2   887.0 1,423.0   597.5   441.1   467.8     0.0   451.1   133.4     0.0
2005   45,095.012,122.611,820.7 7,217.8 2,061.2 2,168.0 2,502.1 1,355.5   719.8   920.5 1,612.7   679.1   449.5   494.0     0.0   469.6   155.8     0.0
2006   50,016.313,521.513,012.3 7,896.9 2,261.8 2,460.6 2,784.4 1,437.1   875.7   948.1 1,738.8   826.4   515.4   529.8     0.0   555.3   192.3     0.0
2007   56,426.015,451.414,980.0 8,704.6 2,513.6 2,916.9 2,988.7 1,601.1   990.2 1,005.2 1,872.5   970.8   520.5   560.9     0.0   657.5   186.3     0.0
2008   62,395.017,752.516,039.4 9,295.0 2,713.5 3,719.3 3,168.5 2,104.6 1,017.6 1,083.5 1,936.0 1,024.2   487.9   593.8     0.0   731.2   187.1     0.0
2009   63,051.320,443.415,972.9 9,355.7 2,632.1 3,174.8 2,673.6 1,937.8   930.7 1,019.1 1,916.5   799.7   473.2   549.0     0.0   537.8   175.8     0.0
2010   60,563.620,807.415,135.2 9,741.0 2,466.7 2,739.1 2,108.7 1,731.1   929.2   962.1 1,151.2   748.6   499.8   482.5     0.0   460.6   164.9     0.0
2011   57,382.320,958.114,191.5 9,192.8 2,453.0 2,346.2 1,644.8 1,421.4   900.6   925.3   844.6   727.9   446.7   428.2   419.2   304.0   178.1     0.0
2012   55,855.720,546.714,042.8 9,033.6 2,300.2 2,041.2 1,328.1 1,311.9   970.9   902.4   881.6   739.9   437.4   428.5   427.0   277.0   156.6    30.0

A      Total
B      Social Protection
C      Health
D      Education
E      Justice
F      Transport
G      Environment
H      Agriculture
I      Public Expenditure and Reform
J      Defence
K      Enterprise
L      Foreign Affairs
M      Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
N      Finance
O      Children and Youth Affairs
P      Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Q      Taoiseach
R      Contingency

What will be known in the future as the Dark Years of Ahern/McCreevey/Clowan when every Fianna Fail minister and PD and Green hanger-on played the big fella, trying to impress by spending other people’s money.

How much of this higher government spending is down to higher interest payments on our higher national debt ?

None. That’s on the capital account :nin

The figures that jxbr has admirably documented also include departmental capital spend, I believe, which is where most of the cuts to date have come from, that is, choosing not to spend money they don’t have rather than cutting money they are already spending. That, I believe, is where germanfred gets his current spend 33% higher than 2006. (There are two elements to capital spend, voted and capital account).

Before we hear that it’s unemployment that has pushed the cost of social protection up:
budget.gov.ie/budgets/2012/D … 0Final.pdf
Table I.b

Social Protection                 17,741 20,435 21,343 20,947
(of which) payments to jobseekers  2,088  3,730  4,094  3,918

(In millions)

This isn’t the deficit you’re looking for…

Social Protection is the killer. It was way out of hand at the height of the bubble when we had no unemployment.

updated with source - the whole thing that worries me is not just the GOVERMENT (sic), but also that the Irish media ALL OF IT - won’t report these outrageous numbers, because they are too effing lazy. The problem in Ireland is at the top AND the bottom.

Lots of people getting paid VERY LARGE amounts of money by international standards, supported in power by lots of people getting around 300 euro a week for doing nothing, not trying to do anything. It’s a real train wreck coming

What is it then that’s pushed up the cost of social protection? Is it the salaries of the people working there?
Is that the problem?

As I understand it, extra government spending is what fixes the economy. Something about stimulating demand.

Even when you take out the fall in capital spending, isn’t this the biggest stimulus package in the nation’s history? Should the economy not be booming?

Pension increases over the past five years (up to 2008) are a big chunk of it.
welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressRel … 00712.aspx

Employment costs in the DSP are relatively low.

This government is a big coward. Every action they take is evidence of cowardice: rolling over to have tummy tickled by the Troika; failing to tackle the unions and the CPA; pushing the choices on what to cut downstream to the HSE; rolling over whenever a pressure group arrives to challenge them; doing fuck all to tackle Mick Wallace, Bertie Ahern, Sean Fitzpatrick or any of the other crooks that characterise the old corrupt way of doing things; tinkeding at the edges of social welfare reforms. The cabinet shows no leadership, no bravery. A bunch of cowards is all they are.

That’s interesting, thanks.

(So, ultimately, I’m paying for other people’s pensions when I don’t even have a pension myself)