Does a college campus nearby make a difference to an area?

Am asking in the context of the NCR discussion…

The Grangegorman facility is in the process of being transformed into a college campus for DIT.

Does this make a difference…

Is it transformative, in say the way the Luas line was on the southside?

What difference does it make?

I’m thinking about the areas around DCU in Glasnevin North…you’d be hard pushed to say it has derived any benefit from having a campus nearby…there are no restaurants cafes bars that are there because of the University, that I can think of…similarly UCD…would Stillorgan or Clonskeagh be any different if UCD disappeared?

Any thoughts?

Yes of course. Colleges attract students and staff from further away. This attracts businesses wishing to capitalise on this spending power and also enterprises wishing to tap into the collective knowledge & new ideas generated by a campus.

Being realistic, it usually means trouble for existing residents. Noisy neighbors, problems with parking, etc. The uplift effect is overrated, esp. in a campus setting where all the amenities are on site.

Where is the evidence of this in Glasnevin North (DCU) or Stillorgan (UCD)? I dont see any whatsoever on the Northside…I dont know the southside so well.

Dunno, don’t live in the Pale. It is obvious for example at NUIG and UL

Its obvious with Trinity College, UCC and NUIG, also Maynooth…but these are heritage insititutions in the city centre that are tourist attractions in their own right.

Not so obvious for me with the purpose built campuses outside of city centres.

UL might be an exception, I dont know it. But it does sound like a fairly vibrant place…from what I hear about it.

I’m with jcsmith on this one. I think there are more problems than benefits, to a residential area anyway - I’m sure the NCR bed sit market will not be negatively impacted.

The impact is quite evident at UCC in Cork. The entire surrounding areas have been (in my opinion) destroyed. While the likes of College Road and Western Road are home to some of Cork’s nicest homes architecturally, most have been turned into slum-like dwellings with a few family homes in between. Constant noise and loutish behaviour at night and people parking on top of each other all day every day is obviously a problem. Few roads have survived, with perhaps Orchard Road an example of a street that is still residential (family homes) for the most part. Families have been driven from all of the other surrounding parts.

I think one obvious benefit is that the Campus might double up as a park for the local community if it has decent grounds…ideally it should, and I believe this will be the case with Grangegorman…

It may make an area like Grangegorman feel ‘safer’…as no doubt there are a fair few scangers in the wider vicinity.

Hmmm … I doubt it!
The skangers will take the day shift and the students the night with respect to botheration of the settled populace in my estimation.
There will undoubtedly be a descent of BTL vultures (or at least the ones with real money) to take up former family homes for renting out to students, with every expense spared - a physical and social disaster in any established urban area as noted above by SoCo and also evidenced in streets around Queens in Belfast where the week-end antics of many students has created a hell on earth for ordinary residents.

I would think it would improve the area. Thousands of younger friendly stress free students in the area will only improve the atmosphere of what is not exactly the nicest part of the city. Might not have a major positive impact but I think it out ways the negatives.

Just fucks up the traffic for a while is all… oh sorry that’s just the entire education systems short year… few more weeks they’ll be gone!

Depends on the initial state of the area. Some would be improved, though maybe not by as much as a low-yield nuke.

A few?

The ribbon has been cut on this project at least 5 times over the last decade,its the photo op for gombeen politicians that just keeps on a giving

…until a sod has been turned any speculation is purely “academic” but my guess is that it will take way more than this campus to do owt for the area.

Agree. UL has also destroyed the surrounding estates. Obviously both bring economic positives but they are social negatives in my experience. UL in particular is probably too large to have been placed, basically, in a suburb. I think UL might have the second highest student population in Ireland - after UCD. As it grew it should have moved into the city where a symbiotic relationship is much more likely, instead it consumed half of Castletroy entirely.

The surrounds of UCD seem to have done well enough, or haven’t suffered adversely, but that’s after many years and a very spacious site with plenty of amenities internally, and a fairly decent bus service to mythical land of ‘An Lar.’ One or two, and fairly mediocre ex Council estates or cheaper private developments are likely worth far more to a btl purchaser, thanks to student renters. Anyhow, I don’t think it’s a massive bonus.

I always thought that UL has a sort of ‘with us but not of us’ relationship with Limerick proper - beautiful campus though and most of the great facilities are enjoyed by a wider population than the student body.
But the proliferation of scruffy student rental houses in the immediate surrounds, mixed higgledly piggledly with family homes, has not been a social highlight.