ECB Watch

[yoganmahew]

A 10-15bp cut does very little in the grand scheme of things with regards to growth and inflation however tracker holders will certainly feel the difference.

Really? You think €12.50/100,000 borrowed/month for a 15bp cut is going to feel different?

I can’t see it myself.

We are so far into diminished returns, that it is entirely pointless.

Welcome to Japan folks.

[akal]

A 10-15bp cut does very little in the grand scheme of things with regards to growth and inflation however tracker holders will certainly feel the difference.

Really? You think €12.50/100,000 borrowed/month for a 15bp cut is going to feel different?

I can’t see it myself.

We are so far into diminished returns, that it is entirely pointless.

Welcome to Japan folks.

Not that I am disagreeing but €12.5 per month is equivalent to a €312.5 pay rise for a higher rate taxpayer.

[yoganmahew]

A 10-15bp cut does very little in the grand scheme of things with regards to growth and inflation however tracker holders will certainly feel the difference.

Really? You think €12.50/100,000 borrowed/month for a 15bp cut is going to feel different?

I can’t see it myself.

We are so far into diminished returns, that it is entirely pointless.

Welcome to Japan folks.
Not that I am disagreeing but €12.5 per month is equivalent to a €312.5 pay rise for a higher rate taxpayer.

True!

[txirimiri]

A 10-15bp cut does very little in the grand scheme of things with regards to growth and inflation however tracker holders will certainly feel the difference.

Really? You think €12.50/100,000 borrowed/month for a 15bp cut is going to feel different?

I can’t see it myself.

Cumulative effect. I’m on a tracker since 2007 - first mortage repayment was 2,400 a month and we are now just above 1800. Huge difference, particularly as, like most people, our financial circumstances have become more … complicated … in the meantime. Every little helps.

[yoganmahew]

A 10-15bp cut does very little in the grand scheme of things with regards to growth and inflation however tracker holders will certainly feel the difference.

Really? You think €12.50/100,000 borrowed/month for a 15bp cut is going to feel different?

I can’t see it myself.

Cumulative effect. I’m on a tracker since 2007 - first mortage repayment was 2,400 a month and we are now just above 1800. Huge difference, particularly as, like most people, our financial circumstances have become more … complicated … in the meantime. Every little helps.

I agree, but the point I’m making is that it isn’t about to set the European economy alight.

[What_Goes_Up]

I agree, but the point I’m making is that it isn’t about to set the European economy alight.

It says it all when the ECB’s IR is set by the state of the banking system than the state of the economy.

[Class_Act]

A 10-15bp cut does very little in the grand scheme of things with regards to growth and inflation

however tracker holders will certainly feel the difference.

Really? You think €12.50/100,000 borrowed/month for a 15bp cut is going to feel different?

I can’t see it myself.

Cumulative effect. I’m on a tracker since 2007 - first mortage repayment was 2,400 a month and we are now just above 1800. Huge difference, particularly as, like most people, our financial circumstances have become more … complicated … in the meantime. Every little helps.
I agree, but the point I’m making is that it isn’t about to set the European economy alight.

When did I ever say it would set things alight.

[yoganmahew]

When did I ever say it would set things alight.

So tracker holders are going to feel the difference by, eh, what exactly? (If not spending more).

[Class_Act]

When did I ever say it would set things alight.

So tracker holders are going to feel the difference by, eh, what exactly? (If not spending more).

12.50/month is a difference. If someone stopped by your house on the first day of every month with an envelope containing 12.50 you’d rather have it than not. Stop being a pest.

[txirimiri]

When did I ever say it would set things alight.

So tracker holders are going to feel the difference by, eh, what exactly? (If not spending more).

Again, I think you are underestimating both cumulative effects and the psychological factors. In my case for instance, 3 years ago my mortgage was above 2k a month, the euro seemed to be on the brink of falling apart and my house was in negative equity. Today, I have a mortgage that will probably be under 1800 a month tomorrow, a house probably back in positive equity and an economy that is showing some signs of recovery, even if many of the signs are disputed on the Pin (partially correctly, partially incorrectly in my opinion). Does that mean I am about to race off and apply for credit to buy lots of tat und bling? No. Does it mean that, for the first time in five years, I might consider necessary expenditure on domestic goods that I can afford and relaxing slightly day to day household austerity measures? Over time, probably yes. Its what I see around me also.

[fungus]

Draghi Builds United Front for New ECB Push Against Deflation: Bloomberg.

There is clearly a lack of consensus on what to do today. If leaks are to be believed, Draghi is trying to build consensus for rate action.

[mr_anderson]

Draghi Builds United Front for New ECB Push Against Deflation: Bloomberg.

There is clearly a lack of consensus on what to do today. If leaks are to be believed, Draghi is trying to build consensus for rate action.

If they want to fight deflation with QE, may I suggest they give each EU citizen €10k rather than the banks, with the stipulation that it be used to pay down debt first.
That way, debt gets paid down, benefiting both banks and debtors.
To those that didn’t have debt, they can spend the money as they see fit, thus stimulating the economy.

[Class_Act]

Draghi Builds United Front for New ECB Push Against Deflation: Bloomberg.

There is clearly a lack of consensus on what to do today. If leaks are to be believed, Draghi is trying to build consensus for rate action.

If they want to fight deflation with QE, may I suggest they give each EU citizen €10k rather than the banks, with the stipulation that it be used to pay down debt first.
That way, debt gets paid down, benefiting both banks and debtors.
To those that didn’t have debt, they can spend the money as they see fit, thus stimulating the economy.

and what if they choose note to, postponing spending with the inclination that prices will be cheaper in the future. Banks also repay QE money as it’s their debt the ECB purchase.

[dolanbaker]

Draghi Builds United Front for New ECB Push Against Deflation: Bloomberg.

There is clearly a lack of consensus on what to do today. If leaks are to be believed, Draghi is trying to build consensus for rate action.

If they want to fight deflation with QE, may I suggest they give each EU citizen €10k rather than the banks, with the stipulation that it be used to pay down debt first.
That way, debt gets paid down, benefiting both banks and debtors.
To those that didn’t have debt, they can spend the money as they see fit, thus stimulating the economy.** and what if they choose not to, **postponing spending with the inclination that prices will be cheaper in the future. Banks also repay QE money as it’s their debt the ECB purchase.

The “money” has an expiry date, spend it or return it!

[fungus]

“Whatever it takes” me ass. Rates on hold despite 0.50% inflation.

[yoganmahew]

“Whatever it takes” me ass. Rates on hold despite 0.50% inflation.

I imagine they consider it pointless to fiddle with rates as deflation burns. The argument will surely be about what to do instead.

The alternatives are monetary financing or, um… any ideas?

[Eschatologist]

If they want to fight deflation with QE, may I suggest they give each EU citizen €10k rather than the banks

Isn’t that functionally equivalent to monetary financing?

[slasher]

FAZ reporting ECB modelled bond buying up to 1 trillion euros

but Leaning more towards credit easing

forexlive.com/blog/2014/04/0 … man-press/

[fungus]

FT: ECB Will Cut Rates Before Embarking on Quantitative Easing.

ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d1c77460 … z2ymFJpNBE

The ECB used the weekend’s meetings to press the message that if it takes further action, it will cut interest rates – possibly into negative territory – before embarking on quantitative easing.

[BoyRacer]

“The monetary union has failed.” Former EU Commissioner Bolkestein - google translate] -> lantidiplomatico.it/dettnews … 82&pg=7539