France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?


#216

Serious explosion in Paris, think at least two dead (firemen) mixed reports. Some suggesting gas leak.

So much going on hard to cover but this twitter account has some coverage:


#217

Complete and utter bullshit. Every protest is reported with at least pictures and usually irritating video. Yesterday’s was headlined “France sees ninth round of protests” and is still on the front page.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-46852600


#218

Indeed, and this was the headline story that preceded it.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472

The BBC has averaged at least one story a day on French yellow vest protests so far this year.


#219

Anglophone media coverage is very different from French media coverage. US coverage is nil. And since the attacks last weekend on media people the French media is now getting more circumspect in coverage. A lot more like the racaille riots in 2005. The video shown on TV news in Montreal at the time was not the very heavily edited version shown on French TV.

As for the D notice. Probably not true but the original description is exactly how they work in the real world. The person was familiar with the process. The LA Riots showed exactly how it worked in the real world even without a formal D Notice process.

What was reported by the local SoCal media at the time of the LA Riots was very different from what was seen and heard in the rest of the state. Which was very different from the heavily sanitized version that was shown by the networks. Which is what the European media took their cue from. And then got completely wrong.

Just one example. But an important one. The running gun battles in Koreatown between the South Central gangs and the local merchants was shown live on local TV stations until the uplink vans got looted / shot up. Local news radio stations like KNX accurately reported what happened live. Apart from very short video and garbled descriptions none of this was reported outside of LA at the time. Although the full video was picked up by KBC in Korea and rebroadcast on local Korean language TV programming. This non reporting was done very deliberately by news directors in the rest of the state and that decision was replicated at the national level. Because what was happening was way beyond anything that had happened in the 1960’s. Many thousands of rounds were fired and once the Koreans organized their defense, a lot of ex Korean military guys were around, who still had their service weapons, the guys from South Central stopped their attacks after about a day. But only after the koreans had dropped off a couple of pickups full of bodes at the local hospitals. A lot more than 63 died during the riots. A lot of the people shot did not want to be known to the authorities. So a lot of carry in / patch up / walk outs / no paper records at the time. This story of all out urban warfare between asians and black, a level of violence unprecedented since the 1890’s , got barely a footnote at the time. Now pretty much forgotten. Very deliberately.

This is how it was reported at the time…

nytimes.com/1992/05/03/us/riot-los-angles-pocket-tension-target-rioters-koreatown-bitter-armed-determined.html

…very sanitized.

Thats how it works in situations like this. Which in the case of France at the moment, is very very dicey. The numbers are still the same. 60% plus support the gilet jaunes. 60% plus denounce the violence of the casseurs. There is a complete political vacuum in France and Macron with 18% positives no longer rules France. He is head of state in name. But thats about it. No one, and I repeat, no one, knows how this will end. Very uncharted territory. Even for France. We are now beyond fin de la 4eme republique politics.

So just like Germany then. Where it is wall to wall late Wiemar at the moment. With the center collapsing and the left loonies and right loonies on the ascendant. Almost 50% of German voters current support left wing or right wing loony parties. Die Grunen, Die Linke and Afd.

The UK is an island of sanity at the moment compared to the ongoing political train-wrecks in France, Germany and Italy.

Yes, its that bad.


#220

Now that’s a scary thought!


#221

Yeah, but it’s clearly illinformed.

Still the yellow vests might be onto something.

usnews.com/news/politics/ar … ed-cameras

Tout tout


#222

The Irish Times go to town on the GJ

Yellow vests’ reactionary and populist traits not just a French problem
Defining inclinations of the movement are a clear and present danger to Europe
irishtimes.com/opinion/yell … -1.3756613


#223

Podcast…from Jan 11
The Stand Ep 316: Can Macron survive the Gilets Jaunes?
soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/ep-316-can-macron-survive-the-gilets-jaunes

Eamon Dunphy and Lara Marlow.

‘France is a country unlike any other’: read Emmanuel Macron’s letter to his people
euronews.com/2019/01/14/france-is-not-a-country-like-any-other-read-emmanuel-macron-s-letter-to-his-people


#224

thejournal.ie/yellow-vest-p … 3-Jan2019/


#225

More turned out for the “no bail out” protest and at least there was a coherent position there. This seems like the usual “whatever it is, I’m agin it” crowd, so it’s unsurprising that they are not resonating.


#226

That rally was mis-timed. It was too close to the new year and Brexit is the main show in town at the moment. The burning of the Refugee hostels has been associated with elements of the yellow vests which will mean the Left will not touch it now.


#227

IMHO, the statements, slogans and actions of this group of protestors are suspiciously inane.


#228

Lara has been writing in the past few weeks about the fightback against the Gilets Jaunes and she’s certainly doing her bit to contribute to that! A strong defence of the status-quo there and of her favourite President

Economic evidence does not support claims by ‘Gilets Jaunes’ about inequality
France one of world’s leading redistributors of wealth, according to OECD
irishtimes.com/news/world/e … -1.3767076


#229

Ah, that American bint. Who has never penned an informed word in the last 40 years of scribbling. The poster child for the credentialzied affluent middle class fool of very average ability. I know the France she has lived in, the France of Tout Le Monde, of the Paris chattering classes, and she knows nothing of France profonde, France periperique. The France she lives in has long had complete and total snobbish contempt for those who dont live in their tiny tiny insulated world. For those they cannot be patronizing towards. Which is about 80% plus of the hexagon.

Well out in the real world Macrons deflection attempts with the Great Debate have pretty much fallen flat. Even the head of the Mayors Association said it was little more than a distraction attempt and most of them cannot be arsed to do much except maybe make rooms available if anyone want to organize a meeting. Because most of the maries most certainly arent doing much. Even the LREM ones are very lukewarm.

Other fun news. The destruction of the hated speeding camera, pretty much total outside the Ile de France, runs to about halt a billion euros. So with the destruction of the toll plazas and the lost revenue that probably another few hundred million.

rmc.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/plus-de-2000-radars-vandalises-en-majorite-il-sont-recouverts-de-peinture-1134397.html

So its vivre la revolution populaires. Its not over yet. Not by a long chalk. The gilets have their lists for the European elections and currently they poll a very respectable 13%. Which means the once mighty PS will be lucky to come in fifth. Not the LR are doing that much better. But will probably come in a solid third. Maybe.

Its still a long time till May.


#230

Video posted yesterday on twitter. Is it possible a Yellow vest bank run has finally begun?


#231

Despite some people’s personal objection to RT, it’s reporting news about the UK-backed Integrity Initiative propaganda operation that really ought to be on our front pages:

rt.com/uk/450723-british-me … nitiative/

Why aren’t the noble western media reporting on this scandal?


#232

Because it’s likely made-up rubbish? Look at the sources reporting on it - they’re all known purveyors of nonsense. From men in robot suits as evidence of Russian technology, to clips from video games as evidence of US “boots on the ground”. From “Salisbury Cathedral tourists” to “died from a cold while falling out of a window with his hands and feet tied”.


#233

Look, you’re right not to trust RT, but it’s probably wise not to trust, say, the BBC, for the same reasons.

Despite your disbelief (and lack of research), it’s a fact that this “Initiative”, funded by the UK state, has recruited journalists across Europe to foment anti-Russian sentiment and to smear domestic politicians. It only came to light when Anonymous published internal hacked or leaked documents.


#234

Isn’t that just typical RT and on breath and BBC in the same as if there’s an equivalence; there is not. RT is an arm of the Russian state. It broadcasts mainly propaganda in the traditions of Izvestia and Pravda.

Good, I’m delghted. The word is ‘foment’ and I hope they long continue. The Russian state is corrupt and is busy corrupting the rest of the democratic world with its propaganda arms; time the rest of the world stood up to it and played it at its own game.


#235

It’s very simple NO corporate or state media is to be trusted printed on rag or lit pixels.

We’re no longer in Kansas anymore but that’s been the case for over a decade.

Stick to the topic of the thread. Discuss the media matrix in another if there is want. It’s all about signal and you’re going to have to feel the noise, a lot more noise to find out what is going on - so just get on with it, links and all.

youtube.com/watch?v=rftnB33goIg

… get back on topic!