France, popular revolt (Yellow Vests) What's going on?


#201

Not sure this could amount to more than symbolism, given that in order to withdraw meaningful amounts of cash one generally has to give substantial advance notice.


#202

If it were just banking they wanted to target then there’s plenty of options but instead they focus on Rothchild banks, invoking the Dreyfuss affair again.


#203

@catbear
IMHO, “they focus on Rothchild banks”, because President Macron was a former employee and rightly or wrongly, (crowds don’t verify all the facts before acting) as a consequence, this bank is the focal point of their ire.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron#Investment_banker

As well as the stated grievance about…


#204

“mattresses” - A Bank run is not exactly a rational event.


#205

Footage has surfaced of Macron being groomed from an early age.


#206

I didn’t know that that was a stated intent. Next they’ll hit the schools he went to and then the hospital where he was born.


#207

Ah, you are perhaps being facetious now, which imo isn’t beneficial for this discussion.

Anyway. Crowds. Lots of people, lots of motives. (Sometimes even the implied motives have motives)

This was the stated grievance.


#208

Slightly but it’s not like a mob talks sense.

Another demand is supposed that the West African Franc’s parity with the Euro be broken, which makes zero sense. A country can choose to link its currency to the USD, or EURO, or Yen or whatever suits. Macedonia and Kosovo effectively use Euro notes, Ecuador, Zimbabwe, and Panama use USD dollar notes, Cambodia uses a mix of USD and its own notes.

It sounds more like this French Viz vest crowd don’t like immigrants using CFA amongst themselves.


#209

@catbear
I did say, “rightly or wrongly, (crowds don’t verify all the facts before acting)”

I don’t think that’s true, perhaps you misunderstood the situation with this CFA.

@jmc made good points about this point back on page 8.

Here is the particular demand I believe you are referring to.
It’s the last of their “unofficial” demands, under geopolitics.
twitter.com/spignal/status/1071004810214891520?lang=en

“France-Africa: stop the exploitation of Africa and support of dictators. Abolish the CFA franc (African currency sponsored by France) which maintains Africa in poverty. Treat African states as equals.”


#210

As the CFA is linked to the Euro then it’s not just about France.

There’s nothing stopping that currency zone rebranding as the West African Euro if they wanted. The only way to stop it would be an imperial adventure, the very thing the Viz Vest supposedly oppose, unless I missed something.

Edit to add: As it’s pegged to the Euro then like the USD in Cambodia there’s no reason that the Euro won’t end up circulating alongside the CFA.


#211

The point is that this particular YV statement is of the anti-imperialist/economic variety.
It’s not that the YV don’t like immigrants using CFA amongst themselves.

(Some economists consider it a tool of financial control in that region. There are different opinions.)
economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2018/01/27/francophone-africas-cfa-franc-is-under-fire


#212

thetimes.co.uk/article/yell … -0ggt3pk35


#213

For the reason I stated none of those control arguments stack up.

You never hear anyone make a similar argument for non-EU countries like Kosovo’s and Montenegro’s voluntary adoption of the Euro and its common acceptance as a payment in Macedonia and Serbia.


#214

The mob is never rational. It’s primed. It’s pointed. It’s released. It can turn on its handlers just as easy. So perhpas the “mob” are no longer anyones minions.

https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/8/88/Despicable-me-minions.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111001202711&path-prefix=protagonist


#215

France24 - Dec 19th, 2018 -** Police start slowdown strike. **

youtube.com/watch?time_cont … ctX1tuUKp8


#216

Serious explosion in Paris, think at least two dead (firemen) mixed reports. Some suggesting gas leak.

So much going on hard to cover but this twitter account has some coverage:


#217

Complete and utter bullshit. Every protest is reported with at least pictures and usually irritating video. Yesterday’s was headlined “France sees ninth round of protests” and is still on the front page.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-46852600


#218

Indeed, and this was the headline story that preceded it.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472

The BBC has averaged at least one story a day on French yellow vest protests so far this year.


#219

Anglophone media coverage is very different from French media coverage. US coverage is nil. And since the attacks last weekend on media people the French media is now getting more circumspect in coverage. A lot more like the racaille riots in 2005. The video shown on TV news in Montreal at the time was not the very heavily edited version shown on French TV.

As for the D notice. Probably not true but the original description is exactly how they work in the real world. The person was familiar with the process. The LA Riots showed exactly how it worked in the real world even without a formal D Notice process.

What was reported by the local SoCal media at the time of the LA Riots was very different from what was seen and heard in the rest of the state. Which was very different from the heavily sanitized version that was shown by the networks. Which is what the European media took their cue from. And then got completely wrong.

Just one example. But an important one. The running gun battles in Koreatown between the South Central gangs and the local merchants was shown live on local TV stations until the uplink vans got looted / shot up. Local news radio stations like KNX accurately reported what happened live. Apart from very short video and garbled descriptions none of this was reported outside of LA at the time. Although the full video was picked up by KBC in Korea and rebroadcast on local Korean language TV programming. This non reporting was done very deliberately by news directors in the rest of the state and that decision was replicated at the national level. Because what was happening was way beyond anything that had happened in the 1960’s. Many thousands of rounds were fired and once the Koreans organized their defense, a lot of ex Korean military guys were around, who still had their service weapons, the guys from South Central stopped their attacks after about a day. But only after the koreans had dropped off a couple of pickups full of bodes at the local hospitals. A lot more than 63 died during the riots. A lot of the people shot did not want to be known to the authorities. So a lot of carry in / patch up / walk outs / no paper records at the time. This story of all out urban warfare between asians and black, a level of violence unprecedented since the 1890’s , got barely a footnote at the time. Now pretty much forgotten. Very deliberately.

This is how it was reported at the time…

nytimes.com/1992/05/03/us/riot-los-angles-pocket-tension-target-rioters-koreatown-bitter-armed-determined.html

…very sanitized.

Thats how it works in situations like this. Which in the case of France at the moment, is very very dicey. The numbers are still the same. 60% plus support the gilet jaunes. 60% plus denounce the violence of the casseurs. There is a complete political vacuum in France and Macron with 18% positives no longer rules France. He is head of state in name. But thats about it. No one, and I repeat, no one, knows how this will end. Very uncharted territory. Even for France. We are now beyond fin de la 4eme republique politics.

So just like Germany then. Where it is wall to wall late Wiemar at the moment. With the center collapsing and the left loonies and right loonies on the ascendant. Almost 50% of German voters current support left wing or right wing loony parties. Die Grunen, Die Linke and Afd.

The UK is an island of sanity at the moment compared to the ongoing political train-wrecks in France, Germany and Italy.

Yes, its that bad.


#220

Now that’s a scary thought!