Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Expression


#8

I have and I still think that the appropriate response is to show they’re wrong and if that won’t work, to ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Until it can be shown that they genuinely threaten my safety, I really don’t have time to be bothered with them.

Opinions don’t harm me. Actions do. I draw the line at incitement and until then, my best defence is my confidence in my own superiority, whether I can be bothered to express it or not. :smiley:
These people are twats and deep down, they probably know it, even if they’ll never admit it, even to themselves, while their hate is turned outwards. I’m too idle to hate, even if I wanted to, which I don’t. I do have an interest in self preservation, but I honestly am not interested in controlling what people think or say, beyond ensuring that no physical harm is done. I have better things to do with my time.

I might be arrogant in my egotism, but I try to exhibit it with the greatest humility and I make my best effort to be gracious in my contempt. :wink:


#9

Isn’t it slipperier on the other side though?

Free speech for all- with exceptions for defamation, incitement to violence and shouting “fire” in a theatre has set limits.
On the other side, should claiming the mass killing of Armenians by Turkey is a genocide (or is not a genocide) be banned? Is it ok to ban one of those possibilities in Turkey?

If the aim is to prevent coles2’s: "
If you can’t argue your point without resorting to lies, generalities, exaggerations or bullshit then you shouldn’t be given free reign to spread crap under the guise of 'free speech"

Then you would need perhaps 100 or more police to record track and research every citizen- “I’m giving 110% to this” “let the state be the judge of that-you are under arrest”.
Otherwise banning statements is simply an arbitrary exercise of power by the state to ban what it does not like- e.g. denying or banning the denial of the Armenian genocide.


#10

Whereas now the Turkish state gets to spread its poison without limits. We live in a time without limits on the state sponsored spread of lies. You’d better believe that there are states doing this.

Yes.

It’s not about banning statements per se. Or individuals particularly. What it is is a recognition that our liberal disinterest is being abused by bad actors and providing a way to do something about it. We need to stand up for our liberties against those who seek to use them against us.


#11

But then you have governments/institutions/MSM abusing this system to force their views and opinions on people.
Can’t win either way


#12

Exactly all opposition parties want free speech… until they get into power.


#13

On the subject of free speech I can’t find a better argument that Justice Brandeis’s


#14

In reality of course there is no such thing as freedom of speech:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St … exceptions


#15

That’s like saying that “there is no such thing as freedom to own property/the right to life/right to personal liberty/right to fair procedures/right to bodily integrity” etc. - or perhaps more broadly “everything is meaningless - including this sentence”.


#16

None of those things do exist in any absolute sense. The government allows those ‘rights’ and determines exactly to what extent those ‘rights’ apply.

The question should really be is it a good idea to suppress a particular form of speech or allow it. Free speech is just a meme, it doesn’t exist and never has. That entire way of looking at the world/belief system is mostly brainwashing.


#17

Warming up to the prize.

Here is one of the NGO fronts (INAR) being used to attack your mind, capture your inalienable right of freedom of speech and expression to basically dismantle your entire way of living.

Always read the end

"What all minorities need in order to be able to live as equals is for our Government and institutions to bring their weight to tackle racism and discrimination, and the conditions which foster racist and discrimination.

We have the promise of Hate Crime legislation this year, and that is welcome. We also need measures to tackle hate speech in the online environment, and we need to climb the steep slopes of our institutions if we are to tackle institutional racism and the systemic racism it enables,” he said.

“It’s been a bad year for everyone and racism and hate crime have made it an even worse one for all minorities,” he added.

Bad year, set to get worse.

These NGO’s are heavily funded, facilitated by a permanent free-pass in the media, they act as defacto-political and provisional political groups without the same oversight or corrective measures as per mainstream politics, i.e. the ballot box - there is never an existential threat to their existence and ability to operate, because there funding comes from tax payers and external sources, they have totally infiltrated and integrated into Gov sector with funding to the tune of billions funnelled into this makey-up-sector with the sole agenda of dismantling your nation, your country and your future as you assumed would remain in place, your inalienable rights and your children childlresn children, always angling to undermine the basis of the state at with pin-point accuracy to key structural points - at every turn, know them by their constant politically enabled bait & switches and their use as good cop or bad cop depending on the setup.

A classic Trojan horse.

GO back to the OP of this thread to get the full picture.


#18

Useful Idiot Politician Not Able.

“even political sympathisers and supporters seem to think now that it is fair game to give their tuppence worth to our elected representatives.”

Ah Regina regina regina, you were happy to court the baying mob to start the unfettered killing of the defenceless innocent unborn children in the wombs of women, children of men on an industrial scale, then you went and locked them all up and told them you came in peace and safety.

“A number of colleagues have discussed online abuse. I can only say that it feels like the abuse of politicians at every level has shifted from third gear to maybe sixth gear.

“Members have asked for a debate on this issue, and I will certainly try to facilitate that after Easter, in the next number of weeks. It has got to a level where we have all gone down such a dangerous rabbit hole that I do not know where we will end up, looking at the level of discourse.

“I do not know whether it is true of our male colleagues here today, but I know from my female colleagues that it is commonplace for them to come into this House, open their emails and receive the most vile and disgusting threats. It is as if people do not think that they have any responsibility for the words they use.

“The discourse appears on a daily basis on all of our social media channels and it is now in our inboxes. It has to stop.

“A few weeks ago we talked about encouraging more women and young people into public life. One would want to be absolutely off one’s bloody rocker to encourage one’s children to come into this life and to have to put up with the abuse that we have to put up with on a daily basis.

Even though many might not agree with Regina, it’s great a politician feels safe and assured that they can be candidate about their preferences in life, and that sure needs to be defended.

But of course that’s now where this is going is it…

However, we are the only people who can change it and we must do something about it. It needs to start with a debate with the Minister for Justice in the next few weeks, which I will organise.

Total setup.


Digital Green Certificate Regulation probably to be enacted Tomorrow (25th March 2021)
#19

No Joke

“It is a deeply sexist trope used to dehumanise women and is exactly the type of behaviour that deters women from going into politics,” she said.

So woman are not just a collection off cells no?

“Ireland is currently ranked 101st globally for female parliamentarians – which is hardly a position to be proud of – and cultural institutions such as the media do play a significant role in shaping society’s perception of women.

“This gendered abuse is becoming an increasing barrier to women entering public office.”

She rejected the argument that the cartoon was meant to be satirical rather than sexist.

“Satire cannot be used as a cover for misogyny,” she said. “This is a time-honoured tool used for smearing women.


#20

The Hate Speech bill is making it’s way through the oirechtas already…

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/52/


#21

That Burkean piece at the end gets to the salient point.

This is how the useful idiots groups get slaughtered by the regime through supporting the very measures to be used to herald their own demise.

Everytime.


Coronavirus 2020
#22

Despite the previous post, at time of writing, there was no knowledge of this Burkean investigative piece, but what do you know, it exemplifies the point and the perps.

Inside the Garda Hate Speech Unit

A freedom of information request was recently answered An Garda Síochána’s National Diversity and Integration Unit (GNDIU), the unit tasked with the implementation of hate speech laws in Ireland. The request sought to understand the financial upkeep, organisational role, and manpower, of the GNDIU; and to find the number of ‘non-crime hate incidents’ reported under the recently revised Garda PULSE regulations regarding so-called hate crimes.

By and large the FOI was refused

… “ We work off a very low threshold of perception. That is, if it is perceived by either you, a victim, a family member, a friend, or somebody else acting in your best interests. If you perceive that you have been a victim of racism, that is sufficient for An Garda Síochána to take that report from you. We are obliged to do that. The issue of investigation and prosecution is a different matter, and obviously we would need further evidence to gather that. But to take a report, we are obliged to do that. All we need is your perception.

There is also a mandatory hate tick-box on all PULSE incidents now. And that then triggers the selection of one of the nine discriminatory motives that are included in our hate crime definition. So it allows for much better and more accurate recording and account of what has happened. […]

You must always report racism, even if it might seem trivial to you. Sharing anti-racism on social media is important for raising awareness and we may see it during our online monitoring, but it doesn’t alert us officially, as it needs to be reported to us.”

An Garda Síochána have also helped to establish a national diversity forum alongside INAR, stating that: *“INAR are there to oversee and monitor the implementation of the Diversity and Integration Strategy and make sure we’re doing what we’ve said we’re going to do.”


#23

https://www.garda.ie/en/crime/hate-crime/what-is-hate-crime-.html

" Hate Incidents – (Non Crime)

Any non-crime incident which is perceived by any person to, in whole or in part, be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on actual or perceived age, disability, race, colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or gender."

Ireland will be the globohomo poster boy at all costs. We will be worse than the UK et all in a decade.


#24

Good NEWS

“Conspiracy theories” are illegal!


#25

Speech-Deniers are coming for your vocal chords, coming for your mind.


#26

JOBS FOR THE BOYS(girls)

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1419993656967274501

All but the most myopic of uniparty fans can see its yet another gravy train role. “promoting free expression” presumably would be free expression of the Alphabet people/Europhile ideology and no more, all whilst picking up a fat paycheque and expenses to boot.

Zappones track record on what constitutes “freedom” of expression leaves a lot to be desired, typical basic uniparty viewpoint, hate crime, hate speech blah blah blah.

Special envoy or NGO, either way, the taxpayer picks up the tab.


#27

I’d just love for a someone to ask her just what she knew about Ed Murray’s history of abusing vulnerable teenage boys when she lived on Capitol Hill in Seattle in the 1970’s. It was a very small gay scene back then. Very small. Very gossipy. She would have known all about Murray proclivities many decades before he became Mayor of Seattle.

Murray was the guy who had to resign because he abused and probably raped dozens of teenage boys. Some in his care. Murray also spent some time in Belfast. Dealing with vulnerable teenagers.

Even thought at least two of the teens Murray abused committed suicide because of his political connections Murray was never charged for any of the abuses he committed.

Then there is Zappones publicly acknowledged association with the sex cult leader Starhawk in Berkeley. A cult which has a long history of disturbing stories and allegations of domestic abuse etc.

There is something very fishy about her “biography”. She has no connection it seems with any Zappones in the Spokane area and none it seems with any in the Puget Sound area around Seattle. None seems to be related to her. As I said before it is a big story when someone local becomes a cabinet mister in a foreign country. Local media coverage of Zappones political career has been essentially nil in both the Seattle and Spokane media.

The fact that The Stranger weekly free-sheet in Seattle which has been the defacto gossip sheet of the Capitol Hill scene for decades has been suspiciously quiet on Zappone’s political career tells me there is something very very wrong with the story she has been telling about her bio.