Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches needed


#845

Any non-Irish EU citizen that turns up in a Garda station: on a plane back to his/her home country. Well covered by EU legislation.
Any non-EU citizen: pretty much the same, plus complications when it comes to refugee status etc.


#846

Did anyone hear Minister Eoghan Murphy on Miriam earlier?
He was completely out of his depth, wouldn’t answer queries and sounded relieved that the basic questioning was over.


#847

airbnb.ie/rooms/7877032?gue … &infants=2

Not suitable for infants but they do, of course, accept bookings. Booked out solid to end September…bar one day.


#848

Another pure spoofer following in his preecessor’s footsteps

Homeless numbers expected to rise, Minister says
Eoghan Murphy says increase in people presenting and supply are reasons for hike

irishtimes.com/news/social- … -1.3610168


#849

Minister Eoghan Murphy was on PatKennyNewstalk for 25 minutes. Waffling as usual.
He stated that “we need to restructure the entire housing system in this country” to prevent the current crisis happening again.
Any idea what that means?


#850

Huh…Housing system?!? What’s that?

One thing is for sure. Statements like that out such players as non-leader material. So we can be thankful for that heads up.

So… lets see. Leadership. None. Why? No vision. Why? Failure of imagination? Why? Fear? Why? No Leaders. Why? No Ireland. Why? No Leaders.

Why?


#851

It’s FG parlance
“There is no system more broken than the system of housing in this country. The system is completely broken and needs to be re-built.” - Richard Bruton, Minister for Education, 09/06/16
“The entire housing system needs to be restructured to stop it from breaking again” - Eoghan Murphy, Minister for Housing, 05/09/18


#852

**Dublin’s homelessness crisis jars with narrative of Irish economic boom **

theguardian.com/cities/2018 … nomic-boom


#853

Surprised they didn’t show the photo of Margaret and her kids in Tallaght Garda station. Would have been the cherry on top of a piece which gave a big mention to the ‘Brazilian Left Front’


#854

Developer Michael O’Flynn on Sean O’Rourke to propose a solution to the housing crisis. I think this link will work, but you can search RTE Radio 1 for Sean O’Rourke, Wed morning.

rte.ie/radio1/today-with-se … #102918669

Basically he’s proposing a use-it-or-lose-it approach to new zoning, where land owners and developers would have to produce joint plans to build decent houses in a sensible time frame. He attributes the current bottleneck to high land prices and land hoarding.


#855

The same Michael O’Flynn who hoarded his finished properties for several years until the market “recovered”. Notably the Elysian but also various sites around Cork city.


#856

The same one


#857

Its quite clear that the system around the provision of housing as it stands currently simply doesn’t work. It hasnt worked (bar for a few) for decades.

Given that shelter is a basic human need there is a strong argument for the provision of (at least a substantial element) same to be taken out of the hands of private providers and into the public sphere…along the lines of the provision of free education up to secondary level in the 1960s or whenever. It didnt mean that private schools ceased to exist. It just meant that others got a chance at education as well…and society and the economy benefited over the longer term. Some industries may benefit from privatisation but some simply do not (British Rail is another that springs to mind).

The inevitable whingers need to be dealt with in the same manner as taxi drivers around the time of deregulation. And such action doesn’t need to be the wealth apocalypse that the vested interests will claim it to be as we all know that there are parallel markets operating alongside each other across different areas and regions of the country. Again, the public v private school analogy works in this instance.

Its likely that it would ultimately be in the vested interests own interests to see some public solution arrived at because to continue along the current course will likely result in the political left gaining considerable ground and possibly power at some point in the future. At that point all bets will be off in every sense.

Question for those in the know. When is the last time that there was a non-dysfunctional operational housing market in Ireland? 40 years ago? Longer? Its ridiculous.


#858

Just to note on the O’Flynn proposal, when Sean O’Rourke pressed him on how much it would reduce new house prices he suggested 10-15%. O’Rourke rightly pointed out that was no more than a year’s increase for some of the recent years – not exactly earth shattering.


#859

The fit out of the Elysian wasn’t completed until relatively recently due to funding issues. Same situation with many of the other estates. It has been claimed in the past that NAMA would not fund the fit out or completion.
irishtimes.com/business/fin … -1.2515711


#860

I’d say in Dublin it is 30 years

This is from the Help to Hoard thread a year ago. I was struck at the time by how worked up Eoghan was

thepropertypin.com/viewtopi … s+#p920145

It turned out “we must do more” was in no way a call to interfere with private property rights. God knows what he thought he meant

You can talk new builds all you want. Personally I don’t take anyone seriously on the issue unless they mention upfront the elephant in the room - immigration over the last 20 years and all its effects from competition in the low end of the private rental sector, to expectations of “forever homes” in social housing etc


#861

It’s not a housing crisis. It’s an apartment crisis

irishtimes.com/opinion/it-s … -1.3620944


#862

From a building point of view the Elysian seemed to be finished and units were being sold in 2008, thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=123660.

The article you linked to makes the point he needed cash to fit out the apartments for rental, but that wouldn’t have stopped them being sold to people who’d have done that fit out themselves.

“The Irish Times has learned that Blackstone has given Mr O’Flynn €5 million to fit out 137 apartments, which would then be made available to the market for rent”

The 5m he borrowed works out @ 36k per apartment, which is what you’d expect to get a builders finish apartment up a higher spec rental ready finish (kitchens, floors, bathrooms, etc.).

On other sites around the city, Belfield on Boreenamanna road was complete around 2008 as well, as were similar houses in Ballincollig and Rochestown.
Probably looking at 200+ properties in total. I know people who put in 66%-75% of 2008 price offers on these houses and were knocked back by Sherry Fitz and told O’Flynn wouldn’t accept the offer - it appeared Sherry Fitz weren’t passing offers to NAMA.

The Belfield houses when finally sold at nearer to 2008 prices in the last couple years only needed a repaint and the kind of snagging you’d expect from houses empty for almost 10 years.

That’s hoarding in my view.


#863

Good to see that some city leaders do not want to see such poky accommodation being supplied, OK for the odd night but unacceptable for living in!


#864

40sqm is far lower than anything allowed in Ireland.

Some people value personal space (no matter how cramped) over having to share with others. Cultural norms in Asia are very different and people happily live in much smaller spaces.