Grappling with the housing crisis: Fresh approaches needed


Eoin O Broin, Sinn Fein spokesperson on housing, has a book out:

Tony Fahey gives it a very favourable review in today’s IT.ó-broin-1.3970846

Fahey is less free market than O Broin who is neutral on ownership v. Rental

I’m inclined to agree with Fahey

Plummeting rates of home ownership among young and middle-aged households and rising dependence on insecure and expensive private renting are, nevertheless, well under way. These could be the powder keg that will soon blow and transform the politics of housing in Ireland in ways not envisaged even in Ó Broin’s careful analysis.


Just came across this from Constantin Gurdgiev in relation to the cumulative effect of the lack of house building now and in the past 12 years or so. It’s short and an interesting read.


I find this very depressing. The most sensitive item on the government agenda and the civil servants can’t even provide basic data .

The largest revisions were in Dublin’s commuter counties, where commencements were previously reported as falling by 35% but are now reported as growing by 31%. This paints an entirely different picture of building intentions.”

Did no-one stop to apply commonsense to this data - the sharp reversal in the recent trend should’ve been a tip off - or did they just allow some low-level data entry person wipeout a large swathe of the data? I imagine if their salary increases were proportional to this index, somewhat greater scrutiny would have been applied!

Civil Service salaries cut in “data glitch” is a headline you’ll never read :face_with_hand_over_mouth:


Just to make you feel better - civil servants got a 1.75% pay increase today…



Anyone actually seen the breakdown of costs in this report? What proportion is the site cost?, what is the developers expected margin?.Without these figures a press report like this is utterly meaningless - either these figures have not been released or we’ve got yet another case of lazy journalism. It’s also important to note that DKM derive a large proportion from their income from their role as paid cheerleaders for the construction industry - they even boast about it on their website.


I spotted an ad recently that touts Leo as a guest speaker at the next Construction Industry Federation pow-wow. Oh to be a fly on the wall… “Ok guys we’ll extend helptobuy and, relax the lending rules if the new guy plays ball…”


Help to buy…will it be extended or not? I think it’s safe to say the lending rules will not be relaxed. Any predictions?


No relaxation in mtge rules, HTB extended (no idea to what extent) :grinning:


Am I mad or are we just way off what we should be completing on houses. Here’s a document from 2008 that shows house completions for the previous almost 20 years. Page 35 of the following link.

Year No. Completions Population
1990 19,539 3,506
1995 30,575 3,601
2000 49,812 3,790
2001 52,602 3,847
2002 57,695 3,917
2003 68,819 3,979
2004 76,954 4,044
2005 86,188 4,131
2006 88,188 4,233
2007 78,027 4,339


More pointing out the earlier years compared to population than the height of the bubble.


Orla Hegarty and Lorcan Sirr demolish Dublin City Council’s case for selling a major site on Oscar Traynor Road to private developers who will then sell houses back to the Council at guaranteed prices for social and affordable housing.

The bottom line is the Council can’t/won’t build the houses itself. The Councillors revolted, as they did with O’Devaney Gardens until the Minister threatened to pull the funding.


A new affordable housing scheme aims to supply 2,500 houses in the 12 months from July 2021.

The Minister for Housing, Darragh O’Brien, said the State will put in up to 30 per cent of the equity to help finance the purchase of a new home, and, when it comes to eligibility for the scheme, there will be “no arbitrary salary caps”.

He said the heads of the Bill will be discussed by Ministers next week and the legislation will come before the Dáil in 2021. If the scheme is up and running by next June or July, some 2,500 homes will be supplied in the 12 months that follow.

Good discussion of the scheme with Katie Hannon


There is no housing crisis in Ireland. :ninja:


Construction to stop 6pm Friday under lockdown for all of January.

Social housing construction is exempt.

Good thing there isn’t a housing crisis…


It’s interesting, considering most of the “social housing” allocations are not going to where people think they are.


Dublin Economics Workshop: A Commission on Housing in Ireland – What should it look like?


Watched the video there

Darragh O’Brien, Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage, speaks from 9mins in.

2021 goals:
A Commission on Housing in Ireland
9,500 new builds
12,750 social builds
3.3bn budget
Land Developent Agency bill to be published in Jan
Housing For All plan to repace Rebuiding Ireland plan


The simplest solution to resolve our housing crisis is to relocate all existing social housing to one specifically-designated site outside of M50, gradually demolishing all existing social housing and almost all other old (20 years+) private and public buildings (especially low-rise) within M50, and then phased construction of a one million apartments (in medium-rise (6-16 floors) and high-rise (17 floors+) apartment complexes) of all sizes (from 15-20 m2 studios to 5000 m2 penthouses with large terraces), with 70-80% of them for sale and 20-30% for rent.

We should also relocate all golf clubs/courses and industrial facilities/warehouses outside of M50, and significantly reduce the number of churches within M50, demolishing most of them, and use all this freed space for apartment construction.

There shouldn’t be any height limits in the city centre. Outside of the city centre there should be a limit of 100 floors within M50 and 50 floors outside of M50. Within M50 also there should be a minimum of 6 floors, all low-rises (below 6 floors) within M50 should be gradually demolished, except 2-3 hundreds of historical buildings (100+ years old) in the city centre.

We also have to change the apartment sizes, at present most of the builders build 60-75 sq. m. 2-beds only, while the market is in urgent need of 18-30 sq. m. studios, 40-70 sq. m. 1-beds, 80-150 sq. m. 2-beds, 120-500 sq. m. 3-beds, 150-1000 sq. m. 4-beds, etc.

We have to invite foreign experts (from China, Russia, Poland, Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Turkey, etc.), who possess enormous expertise in building inexpensive medium to high rise apartment developments, so they would guide our and foreign builders.

We have to remove all social housing from expensive city centre areas (which should be re-populated by people working in the city) and relocate all social housing to one designated area only (with the cheapest land), outside of M50 .


So you want to create a ghetto where to dump the non-working people, will you be putting a fence around it as well!

As for the rest of the plan, it sounds like something that a Chinese town planner would come up with, raise most of the old city and replace it with a forest of tower blocks, twinned with Pripyat or any new souless Chinese city.

Just how many people do you think will come to live in the new Dublin 100million +