Health and Social Budget overruns - making the rest moot


#141

Social protection
Current 9,100 8,985

  • 115 mill

Why is the Dept of the Env so far behind in its capital expenditure
Seems a large amount to be behind
Is this Irish water not upgrading water and wastewater services


#142

Social Protection figures are encouraging.

Capital expenditure figures are usually behind in most Depts until late in the year.

If current expenditure is ahead, they use the capital budget to plug it, by putting off those capital items until next year. If current spending is ok at year end, many spend their capital balance in December


#143

And yet we still spend less than most of the comparable nations of the OECD while outperforming them on many important measures such as life expectancy and infant mortality and manage to offer universal coverage.

It’s all very well complaining about ‘Angola’ but the fact is that no other comparable nation provides a better health service for the same money.


#144

What same money? Are you doing that GDP comparator thingy again and comparing with Western European countries with an older age profile?


#145

Proof or it doesn’t exist…

We’re pretty much average with the EU15 on per capita spend:
nerinstitute.net/blog/2014/0 … ing-unive/
Per capita, we also spend more than the OECD average:
pbs.org/newshour/rundown/hea … countries/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … per_capita

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … .282014.29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … ality_rate

This is just not a fact…

Now, I’m not saying the Irish health service is rubbish, but pound for pound, it veers towards the expensive rather than, say, Israel or South Korea.


#146

Varadkar should be in front of the Dáil this morning looking for his Supplementary Estimate for the HSE 2014.

Latest estimate 510m

imt.ie/news/latest-news/2014 … e510m.html

This is usually when they announce it, so it gets lost in the Budget 2015 news


#147

HSE to overspend budget by €510m this year

irishtimes.com/news/health/h … -1.1974301


#148

Latest Dept of Finance Net Voted Expenditure to end Oct 2014

finance.gov.ie/sites/default … 202014.pdf

EDUCATION & SKILLS
+77m over budget or 1.1%

HEALTH
+417m over budget or +3.8%

JUSTICE & EQUALITY
+28m over budget or +1.5%

PUBLIC EXPENDITURE AND REFORM
+26m over budget or +3.4%

SOCIAL PROTECTION
+72m over budget or +0.4%

TRANSPORT, TOURISM AND SPORT
+64m over budget or +6.0%

Total Net Cumulative Voted Spending
+416m over budget or +0.9%


#149

I had predicted a billion over. Only 50% off.

But again : if I went to the boss and said “actually the sums are fucked we need another half a billion plus change from the scrotebags” then my employment prospects would not be bright.


#150

Ah here, if you brought your complex project in only 0.9% over budget, you wouldn’t be doing too badly…


#151

In perpetuity?


#152

Well, given that your management slice hours off your estimate at each step up the chain or every time they impose some new ‘efficient’ processes on you, yes…


#153

€680m bailout for HSE biggest in its 10-year history

Spending overrun will reduce funds available to health service next year

irishtimes.com/news/health/6 … -1.2025804


#154

these figures are truly shocking, essentially swallowing any increases in tax take. Agriculture swallowed 177m and with the milk bubble about to pop expect this to double in payouts to farmers next year as you know they have a strong lobby. Transport also needed 162m so there’s the price of 2 years of Irish water righ there.

Health is beyond shambolic it is just a behemoth that keeps spending more and more money without any signs of an improvement in service.


#155

Dept of Finance Net Voted Expenditure to end Nov 2014

finance.gov.ie/sites/default … diture.pdf

CHILDREN AND YOUTH AFFAIRS
Current spending +10m over budget or 1.2%

EDUCATION & SKILLS
Current spending +60m over budget or 0.8%

HEALTH
Current spending +508m over budget or +4.3%

JUSTICE & EQUALITY
Current spending +35m over budget or +1.8%

PUBLIC EXPENDITURE AND REFORM
Current spending +11m over budget or +1.5%

SOCIAL PROTECTION
Current spending +61m over budget or +0.3%

TRANSPORT, TOURISM AND SPORT
Capital spending +51m over budget or +7.9%

Total Net Cumulative Voted Spending
Overall +407m over budget or +0.8%
Current spending +475m over budget or +1.0%
Capital spending -67m over budget or -2.6%


#156

Teacher exodus adds €25m to pension costs

independent.ie/irish-news/ed … 20798.html


#157

The point as macannrb noted above is not the one-off, its the recurring end of year 4% In perpetuity and recurring not being able to manage to budget. Yes I know stuff gets cut down but every other organization does it including with savage cuts … it is part of business life.


#158

Extra public service pay day to cost exchequer €300m

irishtimes.com/business/econ … -1.2043156

Final, revised spending limits for 2014 are out but can’t find a link


#159

I have no idea what this is about but I suspect that when Public Servants add up what they get paid in 2015 it will add up to their usual annual salary. What will have been massaged upwards will be general public anger towards public servants. I will report back if and when I get an extra days pay next year.


#160

cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uplo … .55.04.png

waiting lists blamed on government not giving the HSE 100Million Euro to clear a few hundred beds.
A few hundred beds is unclear to me. is that 200 or 300 or what.
if it is 200 then that means it costs 1/2 Million per bed to clear the waiting list.
No wonder government didn’t give them money but still it is a negative headline plastered over national paper to the benefit of some vested interest.