Irelands Most Productive Region , Cork.

It is time to address the myth that Dublin needs extra investment because it is soooooo important looike to Irelands GDP

On a different measure , Gross Value Add, the South West is the most important region in Ireland , particularly Cork.

Howeve rwhile Cork gets chemicals and makes drugs which are then exported Dublin specialises in funny money where a dead letter drop in a Big 4 Acccountant Office or Big 4 Solicitor Office magics up €3bn out of nowhere and with no employees. Anyway these figure predate the credit crunch where lots of Dublin based wealth evaporated over the past few years.

Cork had a higher relative GVA than Dublin BEFORE the credit crunch.

A workforce of 303,000 persons, 14.4% of the National Workforce, produced 18% of Gross Value Add.

In Dublin and the Mid East 866,000 persons, 41.2% of the National Workforce , Produced 48% of Gross Value Add.

However the South West was more productive on a per capita bases and that with Kerry dragging upon it and before the castles of BS and paper in the Accountants Offices and in the IFSC started to fall.

Dublin Mid East is bigger …but it is not as singularly important to Ireland as Cork. You give Cork people inputs and they produce more with them than the Dubs do :slight_smile:

The latest figures are from 2007 published in January 2010

cso.ie/releasespublications/ … income.pdf

Table 13 page 19

Region Amount Persons %National GVA %National Income %Labour Force

Helpfully , in re GVA

statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=254

Your right… Cork should look to gain independence :slight_smile:

Interesting stuff, where do we get info on regional capital expenditure? There must be far more state employees in Dublin too thus boosting Dublins GDP.

Plenty of transfer pricing going on in Cork tho…

Pfizer, Novartiz, GSK, Centocor, DePuy, Jansen, Pepsi, EMC, Schering, and Ely Lily spring to mind off the top of my head. Plenty of GDP output contribution with not so much labour input (must be about Euro10-20B for about 8000 employees in total there).

I don’t think anyone sensible has ever disputed that Cork City has a lot of potential. What anyone sensible also questions is anyone taking the potential of Cork City as a starting point, and applying the same logic to Claremorris and every other town with more than 1,500 souls.

Widely known. I’ve a vague memory of attending a Cork City game shortly after a newspaper article to that effect, which also included some statistics on malnutrition in Dublin. The Cork City supporters gave a spirited rendition of “Feed The Dubs, Let them know its Christmas”.

What I find fascinating about this bit is how you calmly dismiss the production of 48% of GVA as somehow unimportant. Its not a zero sum game, you understand. My mickey isn’t any smaller because a guy in Cork has a bigger one. But the point is that women find sleeping with Mayomen as like having a wardrobe fall on you with the key still in it.

Incidently, Cork gets infrastructural development precisely because its justified. The Cork-Midleton rail line is expected to produce the highest economic return of any rail investment in the State, as is well known in infrastructure anorak circles.

You see, you’re starting from a fundamentally flaw outlook. Infrastructure anoraks like me just want our funds to be sensibly deployed. Our problem with the Western Rail Corridor, for the sake of argument, is not that its in the West. Its that it doesn’t make sense. However, the reason Western Mindset types hate investment in Dublin is just because its in Dublin. They’re not especially interested if it makes sense. Infrastructure anoraks actually do wonder and question if Metro North is really such a priority right now. Personally, I don’t think it is.

I’m afraid you are factually wrong.

If you are interested (and I doubt that you are) the towns that are actually more dependent on public sector employed are listed here. Dublin doesn’t even make the top ten.

In fairness, that kind of distortion is present everywhere. The largest example was probably Dell, which at its peak was claiming to account for a few percent of our GDP - produced by a few thousand workers screwing PCs together, apparently.

The key point is that, yes, Cork City has a lot of potential and, just like Dublin City, sensibly deployed resources will give us a return.

Nice that you finally saw that after your OT rant about Mayo and the Western Rail Corridor, neither of which has any relevance to the thread.

Clearly, people can make their own minds up about the relevance or validity of any part of my post.

But I do feel I should explode this ‘finally saw’ comment. I’ve been banging on about the ludicrous way that Cork is hamstrung, compared to locations that just are not in the game, for quite a while. I just Googled up one example from last March, illustrating this.

I suppose I should be taking some comfort that a wider audience is becoming aware of these facts. I mean, ye lot think ye were a voice crying in the wilderness?

Cork - a source of a bit of de ould natural resources for the last 35 years aslo:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsale_Head_gas_field

Dublin was a Play city. Never really intended to be so industrial as compared to Belfast.

Cork I have been told by a Cork friend of mine was never ruled from Dublin even when Dublin was the administration for the rest of the country during Empire. Cork was always and directly ruled from London I have been told. It was of massive strategic importance. This I believe explains the source and sense of independence form Dublin Cork has alway exuded. A naval lynch pin in the dominance of Empire . A sort of Guantanamo bay of historical Ireland.

More a People Republic of Hong Kong!

Yes better British Empire analogy than my modern US Empire one :smiley:

I’m not sure what the word ‘intended’ means in this context. But, certainly, partition cut the new Irish State away from the only really substantial industrial region in the country. This is not especially a secret, but I’m not sure that our school history ever really reflect on the significance and consequences of this. Could Dev have led an unpartitioned Ireland down his Year Zero cul-de-sac? I guess we’ll never know.

While not devoid of industry, Dublin was mostly an administrative centre. However, it did have some industrial heritage. A few high points were; the first pneumatic tyre factory in the world, Dunlops, was located on Upper Stephen Street; the gunmakers, Rigby, made the finest precision firearms; the first Royal Navy submarine periscopes were made by telescope makers Grubbs of Rathmines.

And, of course, it had the largest red light district in Europe, until the Legion of Mary set about replacing that with a new form of servitude.

Cork has a fine and well-located port, and its own business heritage. The British missed not having the port in WWII.

I notice you hedge this with ‘I have been told’, and that’s fine. I’d be delighted if anyone can flesh that out, though. My understanding is that, after the Act of Union, the whole country was directly ruled from London. There were Irish branches of British Departments located in Dublin; but that largely reflected the realities of communications. There were also some explicitly Irish Departments, like the Irish Land Commission, the General Register Office of Births, Deaths and Marriages and the Department of Agricultural and Technical Instruction, but their remit covered the whole island. The central Department was the Treasury Remembrancer’s Office, which was really just a post box for HM Treasury in London.

But I do recognise the outlook of your friend, having encountered it in people that I also cherish. There is a perverse way that they don’t mind bowing to London, but resent having to participate in the obligations of an independent Irish State headquartered in Dublin. I’m not sure they can quite resolve that contradiction in their own minds, which might account for a tendency in the same people to be highly strung.

Did they not really have the use of the ports secretly during WWII?

Regarding my directly controlled point, by the military/navy interests more than the typical civilian/bureaucratic administration of the Empire. Dinner table conversation elevated to proto-infact-eh :smiley:

Not that I know of. But, then, if it was secret, I suppose they wouldn’t see a need to keep me in the loop. After all,

https://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens2386445_1232401533loose_lips.jpg

So who told you?

https://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/33038-loose_lips_really_sink_ships.jpg

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Think of it more like being embarrassed by the cousin with the six fingers and a banjo!

No, they had the weather forecasts for what they are worth and their chappies were not interned for the duration like the Germans were. Nor were the Americans including General Devers… Chief of Land Forces Europe who once visited Galway by accident.