*because they’re worth it *… 
This is the one thng that I would gladly take to the streets about. I don’t believe this is highligted enough in the media. This has to stop and if it takes the IMF to stop it I’ll welcome them.
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[mod edit: and you can feck right off to the slurry pit you crawled out of too]
so an Irish minister is on a pay and pension package of close to a million a year while in cabinet! This takes the bicuit. i tought i couldnt be more annoyed. I have to stop reading message boards like my shrink advised. is that why the pay cuts didnt affect pensions ? I feel like going back on the gargle after 2months dry.
Any chance that one of these shoe pissers will come on the airwaves and explain this obscene largesse. Remember this applies to senior cs types as well as ministerial and senior cs salary levels are linked.
(And none of “It must be viewed in the context of the years of service, and the remuneration they would have received in the private sector”)
Could whoever is in control of the media please highlight this.
Thanks.
Clever stuff from the ITC guy - he makes his money from setting up occupational schemes and pension wrappers. If tax relief was lost on this, his business would suffer hugely
He’s right, of course - taxing employer’s contributions to private pension scheme while ignoring the unfunded “pay-as-you-go” civil service schemes would be politically untenable
A shot across the bow’s ?
Or illuminating an obscene and unjustified perk?
A shot across the bows, I believe.
In other words, “you can’t take this tax relief away from the private sector only, therefore you can’t take this tax relief away”.
It would be Haughey asking us to wear a hairshirt while his were handmade Charvet all over again …
If you think we’ve had a public sector v private sector divide up to now, watch what happens if private sector employer pension contributions become taxable and there is no corresponding charge on the public sector.
Loads of TD & minister disappointment money and pension payments to be made soon. I’m sure it will be in the media during the week how much they are all getting. I found out today that John O’Donoghue is getting around €108,00 per year and he’s only 54! Here’s some more from an article earlier this month tribune.ie/article/2011/jan/ … o-not-run/
**Bertie Ahern, 34 years’ service, €388,855 lump sum; €155,892 pension
Dermot Ahern, 24 years’ service, €328,469 lump sum; €111,120 pension
Noel Ahern, 19 years’ service, €268,403 lump sum; €73,008 pension
Bernard Allen, 30 years’ service, €273,941 lump sum; €64,586 pension
Sean Ardagh, 14 years’ service, €186,219 lump sum; €38,702 pension
Ulick Burke, 9 years’ service, €186,219 lump sum; €33,947 pension
Paul Connaughton, 30 years’ service, €263,432 lump sum; €66,119 pension
Seymour Crawford, 19 years’ service, €222,508 lump sum; €46,070 pension
Noel Dempsey, 24 years’ service, €328,469 lump sum; €111,120 pension
Jimmy Devins, 9 years’ service, €58,800 lump sum; €21,573 pension
Olwyn Enright, 9 years’ service, €129,800 lump sum; €22,542 pension
Michael Finneran, 9 years’ service, €283,429 lump sum; €48,504 pension
Beverley Flynn, 14 years’ service, €186,219 lump sum; €33,947 pension
Mary Harney, 30 years’ service, €343,087 lump sum; €118,837 pension
Jackie Healy-Rae, 24 years’ service, €186,219 lump sum; €33,947 pension
Michael D Higgins, 25 years’ service, €328,478 lump sum; €80,876 pension
Tony Killeen, 19 years’ service, €276,163 lump sum; €68,984 pension
Tom Kitt, 24 years’ service, €283,429 lump sum; €77,743 pension
Padraic McCormack, 22 years’ service, €229,863 lump sum; €48,495 pension
Liz McManus, 19 years’ service, €280,618 lump sum; €59,523 pension
Arthur Morgan, 9 years’ service, €129,800 lump sum; €22,542 pension
MJ Nolan, 24 years’ service, €229,855 lump sum; €48,492 pension
Rory O’Hanlon, 34 years’ service, €328,469 lump sum; €111,119 pension
Batt O’Keeffe, 21 years’ service, €328,469 lump sum; €94,366 pension
Jim O’Keeffe, 34 years’ service, €263,438 lump sum; €68,639 pension
Ned O’Keeffe, 29 years’ service, €263,429 lump sum; €63,600 pension
Brian O’Shea, 22 years’ service, €263,438 lump sum; €63,603 pension
PJ Sheehan, 25 years’ service, €229,864 lump sum; €49,345 pension
Noel Treacy, 29 years’ service, €263,429 lump sum; €77,743 pension
Mary Upton, 11 years’ service, €151,072 lump sum; €26,672 pension
Mary Wallace, 21 years’ service, €263,429 lump sum; €72,868 pension
Michael Woods, 34 years’ service, €328,469 lump sum; €111,120 pension
TOTAL €8,075,781 (lump sum payments) €2,125,644 (pensions per annum) **
€8m divided by 32 = 250k avg each.
Add these folks.
rte.ie/news/election2011/results/index.html
43 Sitting TDs not re elected.
x 250k avg = €10,750k.
Total €18.75m to get rid of a government.
That’s just the lump sum payments…what about their annual pensions which they will get for the rest of their lives once they reach 50? 
Jesus. Just reading those number made me sick to my stomach. It is disgusting.
What’s more digusting in my mind is the years of service.
Bertie 34 years.
Mary 30 years.
Jackie 24 years.
Says a lot that.
Yeah. About the voters.
Yes.
Thick and/or slow?
That’s the bit that makes me sick.
18 years before I can expect to receive anything…
edit: look what 9 year’s service will get you:
9 years’ service, €129,800 lump sum; €22,542 pension
I’ve been working and paying into pensions for 22 years now. All my pensions combined are projected to give me 25k, assuming I keep paying in at the maximum rate (25% of my income).
And I’m quite lucky in the private sector. Most people I work with have either no pensions or ‘property’…
It’s not too late to run for office YM!!!