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Word from some Dublin professional firms re this Section 110 amendment - no problem to get around.
Vulture should be able to “preserve” all of the tax-free benefits of the Section 110 with appropriate action.
They could not have that view already. In the first instance the legislation can be changed to make it more effective. In the second instance this presumably changes the effect of the previous rulings re applicability of anti avoidance rules. Also, the principle that this is a loophole to be rectified by legislation is established.
An expectation perhaps , akin to “the Fed will always have your back”.
I think there is probably a touch of bravado in response to “What the fuck is going on there, you assured us etc etc” phone calls from very angry clients…
Nothing like watching a potential bonus evaporate to make people very angry
It has been called a loophole and legislation has been designed to close it off. Anyone fucking around with more loopholes is likely to get mashed in due course.
It is all public. And of course, unlike Apple they can’t go unlimited to hide the numbers as the owners are charities
Why Noonan’s Section 110 Amendment is Built-to-Fail (hint: it was written by Big 4)
Have checked this discretely with 3 of the Big 4, and sadly, SoCoDu (above) is right.
So despite Michael Noonan finally admitting that Section 110s are abusing the tax laws:
RTE: Government moves to amend Section 110 to close tax loophole used by Vulture Funds
The Big 4 have managed to find out how to neutralise it completely inside 24 hours:
1. ALL CAPITAL GAINS CAN BE SHELTERED: All portfolios can be “marked-to-market” at 5th September (i.e. you don’t have to physically “sell” any assets, just “re-value” them, at 0% CGT, to 5th Sept). Given the current environment (Irish long bond yields at almost 0%, Dublin commercial property at c 2005 capitalisation values, minimal foreclosures), it will be easy for the PWC / KPMG / Deliotte’s Corporate Finance Departments to produce 100 page reports uplifting the portfolio sufficiently that no other capital gains will accrue post 5th September 2016 (I’m pretty much quoting from one of the Big 4 here, who was quite excited at spending the next 6 months earning fees re-valuing over €30bn in Section 110 vulture assets). Note that while the amendment didn’t explicitly state that the vultures could “mark-to-market”, however every one of the Big 4 (and even the smaller ones), published notes confirming that this would be the case (i.e. it was the Big 4 who wrote Noonan’s amendment to achieve his “political” requirements while preserving the tax avoidance of their vulture clients).
note: as Stephen Donnelly points out (his article below), when Government raises CGT tax rates in Budgets, it doesn’t allow citizens to “mark-to-market” their assets at the old rate the night before the new rate comes in; it did for vultures.
2. ALL INCOME GAINS CAN BE SHELTERED: Noonan’s amendment still allows interest deductability at an “arm’s length” rate on all loans. Some of the Big 4 (who wrote the amendment) say this is code for - you can restructure to create “internal loans at high mezz rates like 15%, where the mezz loan is still based in Cayman, as per the existing Section 110 PP Notes”, as long as you have (another) report from PWC / KPMG / Deliotte Corp. Finance showing the 15% p.a. rate is justified by market (how the Big 4 have gotten Revenue to interpret what an “arms length rate” is in the past). One of the Big 4 have another back-up plan (in case Revenue goes hostile), where the Vulture can create a 15% mezz rate loan that looks “less internal” (using an “orphaned” financing structure), but you will need more advice (a.k.a fees) to do it.
note: as Stephen Donnelly also notes, if you buy an Irish business, you can get tax relief against bank debt interest; however you cannot get tax relief on interest from “internal” loans you might have (which are housed in the Cayman Islands).
**Final word is that “only a badly advised vulture is going to incur any tax” as a result of Noonan’s proposed amendment.
RESULT: Even more fees for Dublin Big 4 Firms from Vultures : Zero tax for the Irish people from Vultures.**
This is more consistent with the “non-approach” Noonan took on the Charity side (discussed below):
It is one thing not taxing apple (jobs, MNCs etc.) but foreign vultures … I just don’t understand it?
See how this relates to Project Eagle, and how Noonan’s Amendment ensures that you (taxpayer) funded Cerberus’ deal:
A couple in the midlands made an offer for a house in their area. Never heard back from agent handling the sale. Chased it up some months later to be told offer was not enough and property has been sold to a portfolio.
Note: it was confirmed only the couple expressed interest in the property. Offered price was about one third of amount paid at peak boom by owner who had subsequently gone bust and skipped the country.
Without the vultures, the entire stock of property across the country resets towards LTEV, substantially SUBSTANTIALLY less than current values, FOR ALL PROPERTIES.
It would be easy enough to amend the amendment if they wanted to.
“it they wanted to” … that is the key problem.
Why no Irish media - even SBP (who have worked their asses off on this scandal) - is willing to “out” the “creators” of the Section 110 scandal:
Noonan loosing complete control of the Domestic Corporate Tax Base via Section 110.
Two very interesting articles in the Sunday Independent showing how bad the Section 110 scandal is getting:
1. Domestic lenders now using Section 110 to get all their profits tax-free.
INDEPENDENT: Cardinal Capital warns of ‘damage’ by new S110
Domestic lender - Cardinal Capital - has now revealed that it is probably using Section 110 to avoid all Irish taxes on it’s loans to domestic borrowers and re-route profits to an offshore location (where it’s backer, Carlyle Capital, is based).
(I wonder if their lawyer is Matheson, A&L Goodbody or Dillon Eustace - the holy trinity that dominate this area?).
So, while all other Irish domestic lenders - Bank of Ireland, AIB, Ulster Bank, Permanent TSB, KBC etc. - have to lend in structures that incur 12.5% corporation tax (inside the banks) and another 20 % withholding tax (on distribution of profits), Cardinal Capital is indicating that it is living in a 0% existence.
The banks are (in a normal environment), one of the biggest payers of Corporate Tax in any country.
A clear example of the domestic corporate tax base being destroyed by Noonan’s Section 110 scheme.
If Cardinal Capital is using Section 110, then it is almost, a non-brainer case of illegal state aid to a company. And remember, Cardinal Capital could not use a Section 110 vehicle to give loans unless the Revenue has changed the Withholding Tax Anti-Avoidance Rules in April 2016, when it was pointed out that the Vulture’s Section 110s were having difficulty with them.
CASE EXAMPLE: Revenue showing they knew vultures had S110s, AND they fixed anti-avoidance tax rules for them.
Is it time to give Margrethe Vestager (another call).
2. Stephen Donnelly pointing out how Noonan’s amendment is probably the end of Corporate Tax in Ireland.
As things stands, vulture funds could take €10bn to €20bn offshore over the next decade
Good article by Donnelly on why Noonan’s amendment is designed to fail (as we discussed in the link above)
However Donnelly also notes that the exclusion of property assets from Noonan’s amendment, effectively means that there is no further need for non-property related corporates to pay Irish Corporate or Withholding Taxes (or VAT, as S110s are also exempt here). We gave the humorous example of how you could buy and re-develop a dalkey house with S110 (below), but while Noonan has cut off this (amendment blocks property activities), it leaves any other non-property related businesses free.
CASE STUDY: How to use Section 110 on Strawberry Hill House, Vico Road, Dalkey, Co Dublin
Both examples show Noonan’s loss of control of the Section 110s in the domestic economy, is going to see further billions in annual Irish corporate and Irish withholding taxes (and Irish VAT duties) lost. The Limerick ex. school teacher is way out his depth here (as we have seen on our Apple tax posts). The IFSC Dublin law firms are running rings around him.
Split out some posts that interrupted O35 in the thread…
St. Wilbur Ross who unilaterally saved Ireland and made a shed-load and good luck to him.
Established a 500M Mezz financing vehicle with Cardinal Capital as JV partner in 2014. No activity in 2014. S 110 vehicle. PWC the auditors, Maples the solicitors.
The accounts are here, largely uninteresting…
The ownership of the company is noted in the accounts. Would you say it is:
A. Solas - a charitable entity aiming to shine a light on those less privileged in society by highlighting their plight.
B. The Mulally Fund - a charitable entity striving to make a set of headphones for Una with unique sounds that make her happy.
C. Halligan’s Tache - a charitable entity striving to have the guy whacked for being so annoying.
D. The WLR Cardinal Mezzanine Finance Charitable Trust - a charitable entity whose founders seemed desperate to get out of the office and couldn’t give a crap as no-one looks at this shit.
Nice one grumpy !
I love the way that they don’t even bother to hide the Charitable Trust names any more.
However, this is another level of Section 110 Irish tax avoidance again. An ordinary Irish financing business for the Irish domestic market (like Bank of Ireland, AIB etc.) setting themselves up in a nice cosy fully Irish tax free world (no Irish Corp Tax, Irish Withholding Tax or even Irish VAT/Duties) for themselves.
Couple of points re your investigation above:
This would be another illegal EU state aid case (like Apple) to Cardinal Capital (unless the Revenue is willing to allow all Irish lenders and Banks use Section 110 to avoid all their Irish taxes).
Cardinal Capital would not have been able to use the Section 110 structure if it wasn’t for the fact that the Revenue removed its Withholding Tax Anti-Avoidance for Section 110.
Irish Revenue amending Irish Witholding Tax Anti-Avoidance Laws to fit Section 110s into Domestic Economy
- While post Noonan’s Amendment, Cardinal can’t do this for property related mezz loans, but they can do for all other non-property related loans (i.e. Business Loans etc.). Non-property lending in Ireland, is now a zero Irish tax (and Irish VAT) activity.
The real scandal of Cerberus €1.6bn Project Eagle Deal - you paid for it, and how Noonan’s amendment protects Cerberus.
The Irish Media seems to have swallowed the line that Noonan’s proposed amendment will close the vulture fund loophole. Some of the articles even imply that the vulture funds have taken a massive tax hit from this amendment (oh the horror).
IRISH INDEPENDENT: Vulture Funds reeling as new tax slashes massive profits
Fear not vulture, as my in-box continues to be crammed with Big 4 (and non-Big 4) emails explaining why, with appropriate advice and structuring (which will cost you), all of the future Irish tax avoidance that the existing vulture was expecting, can be preserved (understandable, given Big 4 wrote amendment).
Discussed in more detail here:
It is amazing that we have a full media attack on Project Eagle, CA&G Report, and all-party consensus in the Dail, that an investigation - and a statutory one - is needed into the €1.6bn sale to Cerberus.
IRISH EXAMINER: High cost of NAMA failings in CA&G Report
RTE: Watchdog Audit finds NAMA incurred £190m Loss on Project Eagle
However, PIN readers of this (long) thread, can inspect the Cerberus Promontoria Eagle 2015 Accounts (the link to the SCRIBD file in via this PIN thread half-way down to Vulture #5) to see where the real scandal is:
Of course, before we get into the real scandal, what you find first, is that the Cerberus vehicle that bought the Project Eagle portfolio from NAMA is, of course, a Section 110, designed by the “usual Dublin advisor team” of A&L Goodbody (2nd only to Matheson in Section 110 Irish tax avoidance schemes), SFM Ireland (Irish anti-avoidance tax rules don’t allow the Directors of Cerberus to be Directors of their own Irish tax avoidance vehicle; don’t laugh), and PWC (who, with KPMG, are likely the main authors of Noonan’s “cosmetic” amendment to Section 110, which is designed to preserve the tax schemes of Cerberus, and all the other Section 110 of the vulture funds.).
All profiled here: Putting it together, the Vultures + Vehicles + Dublin Lawyers + Dublin Accountants + Irish Charities
So, in crude numbers (I am deliberately simplifying / rounding a lot, for fuller clarity here):
ALL IN STERLING
Project Eagle portfolio bought for c £1.2bn
Cerberus used c £780m of “non-recourse” Debt mostly from Nomura Japan @ L+3.5% @ €27m p.a. cost
Interest income on portfolio of c £111m
So, this portfolio was almost a decade old when sold to Cerberus. This means that it is “seasoned” in the distressed debt vernacular (i.e. the interest income is likely now very solid having been paid for c 10 years though the GFC; distressed debt heaven).
Cerberus therefore bought Project Eagle at an un-levered yield of over 9.25% (8-9% yield was standard in 2013 from NAMA)
Net of the Nomura loan, Cerberus put c €420m of their own money into the deal, on which the STARTING INCOME YIELD (i.e. ignore capital gains) was exactly 20% (€111m in income less €27m in interest, divided by €420m in equity).
If Cerberus hold Project Eagle for 10 years (standard distressed debt hold period), they will convert their €420m into €1,260,000 (€420m x 20% x 10 + €420m). Without a Section 110, Cerberus would incur Irish taxes over almost €250m on this gain alone (*)
(note: see this post re tax calcs: thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?p=886824#p886824)
(*) note: as we saw in the Mars Capital Ireland case study (see link below), there is a common mistake commentators make about the sustainability of this income. Project Eagle’s loans had a par value of €4.6bn, so Cerberus paid 27p in the £1 for them. On average, where a borrower repays a loan early (and Cerberus loose future 20% p.a. income), Cerberus will make an even bigger gain on full par recovery of the loan. So powerful is this dynamic that Cerberus, in specific cases, will be willing to take even 50p in the £1 from the borrower, and will be no worse off then taking the 20% for the 10 years. Ireland was distressed debt heaven for vultures in 2013-2015, as it had a rare combination of factors not found elsewhere:
(1) well seasoned loans (most over 10 years old, and have been through the “fire” of 2010-2012, so their income was solid).
(2) deep discount to par value (underpins income yield and gives even bigger capital gain windfall where loans repaid early).
(3) unleveraged acquisition running yields close to 10% (leveraged yields closer to 20%, per Project Eagle).
(4) complex bankruptcy laws (very hard for borrower to “walk away” like in US, underpins interest income).
(5) Section 110 structure - free of all Irish taxes, Irish VAT and Irish Duties (unlike the US or other PIIGs in Europe).
However, those who knew Project Eagle know, with any decent recovery, Project Eagle is worth AT LEAST 50% of its original loan value. That is another €1,000m to Cerberus, or €2,260m on their €420m equity. That is over €500m in Irish taxes avoided.
**Like we saw in the Mars Capital Ireland / OakTree Case Study, Cerberus is going to avoid Irish taxes (+€500m) that are at least as big as Cerberus’s actual equity investment (+€420m).
As with Mars Capital Ireland, the Irish Taxpayer has paid for ALL of Cerberus’ Projecg Eagle investment.**
MARS CAPITAL IRELAND CASE STUDY
So while the media gets into a fluff over Cerberus getting a £190m bonus because poor practice (or worse), remember that our Government of ex. school teachers, have given Cerberus (and all other vultures) an even bigger deal.
Remember also that NAMA knew it was selling to Section 110 (and Frank Daly was at presentations on S110)
Now read the post on the “sham” of Noonan’s Section 110 “loophole closure” Amendment:
(i) Next year, the Cerberus Promontoria Eagle Accounts show a revaluation of the assets on 5th September 2016 to €2.6bn, to shelter all capital gains at 0% (with Irish bond yields going negative, PWC will produce a 100 page report supporting it).
(ii) Next year, the “internal” €420m of Cerberus Promontoria Eagle Loan Notes (how Cerberus structured their “equity”; all owned by a Cerberus Luxembourg company) will have had their interest-rate confirmed by PWC as being an “arms length” rate.
Why Noonan’s Section 110 Amendment is Built to Fail
Of course, it is likely that Cerberus will wrap their Project Eagle Section 110 inside an “Orphaned Super QIF” so that media / public cannot download their accounts and see what Irish taxes they are paying (or not paying, more likely). This is what the Big 4 are now recommending to their vulture clients, along with structures to neutralise Noonan’s amendment.
Orphaned Super QIFs are discussed here. thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?p=886779#p886779
All the IBRC are paid back and almost all the NAMA financing is paid back (i.e. no rush with remaining NAMA assets, better to wait).
Unlike Apple, Vultures don’t supply any jobs etc. (the Apple arguments don’t apply)
Why is Noonan protecting Cerberus’ (and all other Vultures) avoidance of +€500m in Irish Taxes?
Stephen Donnelly article on Cerberus 2015 Project Eagle Accounts shows that the interest income has risen to £165m and that Cerberus’ income yield (ex Capital Gains) is now running at over 30%. The profits are now so vast that Cerberus has been forced to re-structure half of Project Eagle’s assets out of its Section 110 SPV into a new tax avoidance vehicle.
IRISH INDEPENDENT: Time to tax ‘vultures’ like the rest of us.
Well done Observer35. However I have to hover over the latest posts button on this thread as this whole thing makes me sad and angry for about 5 minutes after I’ve read the latest update.
Same here. There’s a certain dread feeling of “this is going to be upsetting again, isn’t it?” before I click on the link.
Why not, he just wants to say NAMA is closed off and successful, relying on the short memory of the Public.
He will move to the backbenches when Kenny is no longer PrimeMinister so he has nothing to worry about. He has nothing to loose and is too long compromised as a politician to have any idea any more of what is in the public interest and what is contrary to the public interest with a degree of isolation where nobody who matters ever calls him on any of his decisions so he thinks he has a bigger picture of the issue than the general public. He is an example of why career politicians become ineffective as they progress through their career.
I encourage you to read the Apple link for an uplift:
Apple, Ireland, EU, Tax Avoidance, Margrethe Vestager, CCCTB
You will see that despite the stupidity of our ex. school teachers, the EU is going to ensure that:
We are getting the €19bn, and
We are getting higher taxes going forward (unless Noonan creates another Section 110 type option for MNCs)
Could Irish politics get more surreal
(i.e. what happens when your Government + Opposition are mostly ex. school teachers).
1. Apple Tax (€19bn lost Irish taxes)
- link on PIN thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66347
- no inquiry.
- comprehensive EU report withheld (by Government, not the EU).
- rushed Dail vote, two months before actual appeal deadline.
- €19bn in lost Irish taxes at risk.
2. Section 110 (€20bn in lost Irish taxes)
- link on PIN thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66282
- no inquiry.
- clear examples of Revenue colluding with Vultures to avoid all Irish taxes, VAT and duties.
- initial denial that (1) it was wrong, that (2) NAMA knew about it, or that (3) Revenue knew about it.
- eventual agreement that (1) it was wrong, that (2) NAMA did know about it, that (3) Revenue did know about it.
- €20bn in lost Irish taxes at risk (which will disappear if Noonan’s amendment is not changed)
3. Project Eagle (€220m in loss to the Irish taxpayer)
- link on PIN thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64750
- full statutory inquiry
- revulsion by all the school teachers in FF and FG
- (ignorance that within Project Eagle, is over €500m in Irish taxes avoided by Cerberus using a Section 110)
- (see link: thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?p=891217#p891217)
IRISH INDEPENDENT: Kenny bows to pressure for [statutory] independent inquiry into sale of loan book
Michael Noonan was heavily involved in the first two:
(As shown in Apple thread, 90% of the €19bn Apple figure is from Noonan’s tenure)
(Also shown in the Apple thread, how Noonan covered up Apple’s “Leprechaun Economics” moment costing Ireland €7bn)
(As shown in Section 110 thread, 100% of the €20bn Section 110 figure is from Noonan’s tenure)
(Also shown in Section 110 thread, how Noonan’s Amendment is designed to protect the Vulture’s €20bn tax avoidance scheme)
He is not involved in the third.