Je suis Corbyn (+UK GE 17) For The Many not the few


#963

I like to keep an eye on the UKpolitics Reddit and the FT comment sections at work and tbh from the minute the story broke nobody was buying it, I mean *nobody *. Everybody was asking straight away WTF the Tories/Mail/Express were thinking, I hope this turns into a major thing but alas it will probably be forgotten about this time next week.


#964

This time next week, the main story will be “It’s bloody freezing!”


#965

As Expected, the next Prime Minister? will oversee little change in March 2019:

theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/26/brexit-tories-lash-out-at-corbyn-as-he-backs-staying-in-customs-union-with-eu-politics-live


#966

Andrew Neil, not a noted Trotskyite.

This is a sign of how the wider pressures on the UK - self-inflicted Brexit mess; general decline in global standing - are stressing the establishment to the point where they go a bit off the reservation. They are in danger of heading the way of the US where people were saying Obama was (literally) the anti-Christ etc. or that Bush is a scheming, irredeemable evil-doer. The middle-ground sober centrists seem to be on the sidelines.

Politically, some of Corbyn’s views are out of the mainstream and not to my taste, but if he’s elected by his electorate then you’d like to think he’d be respected by his own parliament at least on the most basic level.

To be fair to Corbyn, he has personally been fairly decent to others and never resorted to peddling baseless conspiracy theories about opponents. Maybe he will be the new centre after all…


#967

The thing is, a huge chunk of his own MPs don’t rate him. His parliament could be equally divided and get nothing done.

What’s interesting to watch is how Corbyn can be seen as “decent to his opponents”, yet pretty nasty things get done in Corbyn’s name, but that he can say he has nothing to do with e.g. Entryist tactics at constituency level and shouting down and deselecting anti Corbyn MPs. He can be depicted as this sinless leader, but nasty things just seem to get done. Pretty eerie IMO

What’s the Guardian’s view of him these days ? I used to buy it on a Friday but not lately


#968

I Gotta think Corbyn’s team were clever at moving the discussion on with his latest meeting, breaking bread with the Jewdas group at Passover. Of course the Blairites come out of the woodwork to attack him for meeting this Jewish Group, but this is getting very silly now. Monty Python could have had a field day with some of this material.

By way of background of course, Corbyn was ordained by Momentum. Many at the top of Momentum are Jewish themselves.

standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-antisemitism-row-what-is-jewdas-and-why-is-jeremy-corbyn-under-fire-for-jewish-group-meeting-a3804856.html


#969

I am definitely not a Corbyn fan, but the media furore of the last couple of days is faintly ridiculous. He was a raving anti-Semite, but now it seems he just likes the wrong sort of Jews – the nasty anti-Zionist ones that object to Palestinians getting shot in the back.


#970

Corbyn is in Lifford today.
He crossed the bridge from Strabane accompanied by hordes of media


#971

doughtystreet.co.uk/news/article/ihra-definition-of-antisemitism-is-not-fit-for-purpose

while the Corbyn slur continues


#972

Geoffrey Robinson, FFS. Is that the best they can do.

What slur? In the context of British hard left politics since the 1970’s being “Anti Zionist” has always meant being anti-Semitic. Being against “Zionism” has only ever been weasel words for these people. The fact that Corbyn is just another thicko rich kid playing student union politics his whole life is neither here nor there. There is not a single group whose rhetoric in arabic has never once deviated from - Kill the Jews and take their properly - over the decades that Corbyn and his supporters have not supported and cozied up to over the years. When these “Anti Zionist” people are pinned down on their position the fact that the people they support are quite specific about glorifying the killing of Jews wherever they might be the “Anti Zionists” get quiet heated when forced to admit that really they dont have a problem with Jews being killed, well, because, of all the “suffering” they cause. And anyway, they all support Israel anyway…

The political calculus of Corbyns Anti-semitism is quiet simple. UK Muslims vote 70% plus Labour and are the group most dependent of government employment or welfare. They are concentrated in urban constituencies which are the easiest for the hard left to take over and control. Add that to the other three core Labour party voting demographics and the votes of the Jews and those appalled by Labour parties very calculated anti-semitism just does not matter. The hard left would be very happy controlling a rump party of around 100 seats rather than being any kind of broad based party of government. That was Militant Tendencies goal in the 1980’, that is Momentum’s goal now.

The only thing stopping a SDP style split of the current party by the moderates is the UK electoral system. If the UK had a French or German style electoral system the Labour party would have split long ago and Corbyns wing would quickly evolve into a updated version of the New Party. The people behind Momentum are just a modern version of the prime movers behind the formation of the New Party back then. Its amazing how effective the left leaning media in the UK have been at rewriting Labour Party history over the post war decades. Ramsay MacDonald almost totally disappeared from history and Mosley’s New Party is rewritten as not a split from the Labour Party of its more radical members but as some sort of sinister “Right Wing” organization. Later on in the decade the NP picked up the usual right wing nasties that bob about in the politic sewer but it started as a split from the Labour party.

You would never know this from how its been portrayed in the media over the decades. The Labour party has a long tradition of very nasty left wing loonies but this is the first time they have actually been able to gain control of the party.


#973

largely Jewish, Lansman and Schneider. Labour had a Jewish leader in 2015 despite only 15% of the small Jewish vote going to Labour. For such a relatively tiny constituency of the Labour vote members of the Jewish community cannot complain at that strong representation at the top table. Yet we still have this campaign against Corbyn, seemingly because he is getting close and he speaks out on the treatment of Palestinians. He hasn’t been charged with saying much that the likes of Jimmy Carter or members of the Irish Dail and senate wouldn’t have tabled on the issue.


#974

Its a little more than that, Corbyn is friends with or on good terms with some dodgy people on the Palestinian side, but then again May and the rest of the British elite think its Ok to associate with the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu


#975

Politicians having channels of communication with other international leaders is probably preferable to the alternative in the majority of cases but May’s government is certainly open to criticism for the events described in this story from last year: U.K. Cabinet Minister Resigns Over Secret Israeli Meetings


#976

Corbyn is behind in the polls, but there’s a palpable Corbyn Angst growing in the Tories and their Tory press. In any gaps in the Brexit chaos coverage I expect to see a renewed propaganda push against him.


#977

Equality watchdog launches Labour anti-Semitism probe

he Equality and Human Rights Commission has launched a formal investigation into the Labour Party over allegations of anti-Semitism.

The watchdog told the party in March it had received a number of complaints and was considering its next steps.

It will now formally look into whether Labour has “unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish”.

Labour’s shadow equalities minister says the party will “fully co-operate”.

Dawn Butler said: “The Labour Party at its heart and core is an anti-racist party… so I see this as a way of ensuring, with the scrutiny of the EHRC, that the Labour Party’s rules and policies are robust and fair.”

She added that the investigation would help Labour “build trust with the Jewish community”.

The party has been plagued by accusations of anti-Semitism since mid-2016.

The leadership has been accused of tolerating a culture of anti-Jewish prejudice by a number of its own MPs, some of whom have quit the party in protest.

Leader Jeremy Corbyn has insisted he is getting to grips with the issue and has beefed-up the party’s internal disciplinary procedures.

Interesting that the report refers to an issue since mid 2016. Which suggests that it is only since Corbyn became leader that this systemic and wide ranging issue emerged.

Dusting this issue off periodically seems to be all about Corbyn and applying leverage on him, when he is getting close to the seat of power.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48433964


#978

Corbyn became leader because a large number of people paid £3 to join the party and have the right to vote for the new leader, that’s the mistake the party made, its these new members that are causing the problems. I think it was Ed west in the Spectator who pointed out that open boarders killed the Labour Party, He assumes that Jeremy will never win an election. I’d more or less agree but I think the Tories will end up with someone even worse than May

Corbyn Vs Raab would be funny


#979

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The good news appears to be that everyone else is borked too.