Kung Flu - Gaming the Matrix?


#63

If you’re ‘wondering’ if owning a gun right now (with shortages, 2km restrictions, police told not to investigate “minor” crime) is a good thing…you’ll never get it.


#64

Sod guns. I’m stocking up on Bacofoil :rofl:


#65

Not at all. But the US seems abundantly qualified already. Right?


#66

All the gun nuts already have their guns. There’s a lot of first time gun buyers who havent a clue.


#67

Fair enough.


#68

38 posts were split to a new topic: Toilet Roll Tactics


#69

#70

Bill Gates to the rescue. He’s caused an incredible amount of damage in the 3rd World with his vaccines but the uninformed will line to to take his latest Covid 19 vaccine. :suicide:


#71

Caused an incredible amount of damage - bringing first world vaccination programmes to millions of third world children, not to mention agricultural programmes, water, sanitation, and hygiene programmes, etc etc?

The stupid gets more and more painful on this thread.

Btw 2015:

Worth a listen.


#72

What exactly would we have done with the warning from Gates then, in practical terms? Put 2 billion N95 masks into storage, pour billions more into academia/biotech, install self sterilising door handles everywhere, filter the atmosphere?

What were the immediate actionable things he was suggesting and where would we be now if we had done them. McWilliams was eventually right but he was also telling us what to do and they were achievable, except of course politically.

BTW agree with you that he hasn’t done harm WRT immunisation programs.


#73

Well being wise after the event, the main issue is controlling the spread.
So the answer would be to be quicker on imposing travel restrictions from affected areas.


#74

I can’t say that I’m happy about living in a police state.

These restrictions were sold to us 10 days ago as something that Leo specifically said he “knew couldn’t be continued”…now they’re to be continued


#75

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What exactly would we have done with the warning from Gates then, in practical terms? Put 2 billion N95 masks into storage, pour billions more into academia/biotech, install self sterilising door handles everywhere, filter the atmosphere? [/quote]

Transcript of his talk here - https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_the_next_outbreak_we_re_not_ready/transcript?language=en

Some pertinent quotes:

… If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it’s most likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war. Not missiles, but microbes. Now, part of the reason for this is that we’ve invested a huge amount in nuclear deterrents. But we’ve actually invested very little in a system to stop an epidemic. We’re not ready for the next epidemic.

… And as you look at what went on (Ebola), the problem wasn’t that there was a system that didn’t work well enough, the problem was that we didn’t have a system at all. In fact, there’s some pretty obvious key missing pieces…

We didn’t have a group of epidemiologists ready to go, who would have gone, seen what the disease was, seen how far it had spread. The case reports came in on paper. It was very delayed before they were put online and they were extremely inaccurate. We didn’t have a medical team ready to go. We didn’t have a way of preparing people…

… And a large epidemic would require us to have hundreds of thousands of workers. There was no one there to look at treatment approaches. No one to look at the diagnostics. No one to figure out what tools should be used. As an example, we could have taken the blood of survivors, processed it, and put that plasma back in people to protect them. But that was never tried…

… So next time, we might not be so lucky. You can have a virus where people feel well enough while they’re infectious that they get on a plane or they go to a market. The source of the virus could be a natural epidemic like Ebola, or it could be bioterrorism. So there are things that would literally make things a thousand times worse…

… In fact, let’s look at a model of a virus spread through the air, like the Spanish Flu back in 1918. So here’s what would happen: It would spread throughout the world very, very quickly. And you can see over 30 million people died from that epidemic. So this is a serious problem. We should be concerned…

But in fact, we can build a really good response system. We have the benefits of all the science and technology that we talk about here. We’ve got cell phones to get information from the public and get information out to them. We have satellite maps where we can see where people are and where they’re moving. We have advances in biology that should dramatically change the turnaround time to look at a pathogen and be able to make drugs and vaccines that fit for that pathogen. So we can have tools, but those tools need to be put into an overall global health system. And we need preparedness.

… We need a medical reserve corps: lots of people who’ve got the training and background who are ready to go, with the expertise. And then we need to pair those medical people with the military. taking advantage of the military’s ability to move fast, do logistics and secure areas. We need to do simulations, germ games, not war games, so that we see where the holes are. The last time a germ game was done in the United States was back in 2001, and it didn’t go so well. So far the score is germs: 1, people: 0. Finally, we need lots of advanced R&D in areas of vaccines and diagnostics. There are some big breakthroughs, like the Adeno-associated virus, that could work very, very quickly.

… Now I don’t have an exact budget for what this would cost, but I’m quite sure it’s very modest compared to the potential harm.

So I think this should absolutely be a priority. There’s no need to panic. We don’t have to hoard cans of spaghetti or go down into the basement. But we need to get going, because time is not on our side…

In fact, if there’s one positive thing that can come out of the Ebola epidemic, it’s that it can serve as an early warning, a wake-up call, to get ready. If we start now, we can be ready for the next epidemic…


#76

Surprised you never heard this wise old aphorism, expressed in modern terms as, "Beware those bearing gifts."


#77

A standing army of doctors and nurses whose absence wouldn’t be felt elsewhere when there’s e.g. a global shortage of 5.9m nurses - never going to happen: https://www.thejournal.ie/world-health-organisation-nurses-shortage-5069736-Apr2020/

Wechat for the western world, yeah ICCL would have a heart attack, and I wouldn’t blame them in this case. Also the poor wouldn’t have access.

The outputs from these are only as good as the inputs, lots of current data needed - difficult, until there’s an actual crisis like now.


#78

I know it well. - Virgil wrote, “I fear the Danaans [Greeks], even those bearing gifts”. It was in the well known Trojan horse story.

But tell us, clearly, what you believe the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is a Trojan Horse for?

Or what is their ulterior motive for investing all their time and money in it, such a significant part of their lives?

Or is it that you believe Bill and Melinda Gates are members of some shadowy cabal that you fear? And their efforts are all a front to progress some sinister aims of this cabal?

Or I suppose they are just dancing on the strings of their ultimate puppet masters?

(We know from experience where this all eventually leads, btw.)


#79

Why bother ask any question if you have made your mind up already or since you already claim to know “where this all eventually leads”, seems like a waste of your time and mine too.


#80

a. I don’t really see what is the major difficulty for doctors and nurses to do some part-time specialised training. A weekend here and there, or a part-time course over three years, and so on. Refresher courses etc.

b. South Korea deployed such a mobile app so that people can see hotspots, and report on them etc. No, they have not been charged for these apps. Also in this respect, have a look at mobile phone ownership rates in poor countries. There’s not a dearth of them as you seem to be assuming.

c. Some serious simulations would certainly have been invaluable. You might look to the military to better appreciate the value of them.


#81

I was referring to the particular mindset that is the theme of this thread, and the stoking of it. You’re right though, pointing out the pathology of it, particularly to those beset by it, is a waste of time.


#82

Sounds good but it is in no way an argument being only an opinion.

However, if we applied that measure then JFK was suffering a deeply virulent pathology, so much so you justifiably might conclude he was the patient zero of “conspiracy theorists”.