Multiple Fatalities from Dublin Halting Site Fire

[Coles2]

split from McNamara Thread:

Very sad news breaking about multiple fatalities in a fire at Carrickmines. Imagine the media response if this was in an apartment block instead of at a halting site.

[mr_anderson]

@Coles2

Imagine the media response if this was in an apartment block instead of at a halting site.

This is front page everywhere.
How would it be different ?

[Coles2]

@mr_anderson

@Coles2

Imagine the media response if this was in an apartment block instead of at a halting site.

This is front page everywhere.
How would it be different ?

Let’s see if it’s still in the media by Monday.

[mr_anderson]

It will be.
As will the funerals.

Just as a matter of info and to preempt certain questions :

Permanent Halting Sites consist of a halting site bay.
This is a small day house that has a kitchen/diner, bathroom and washing facilities/utility area.

Tenants of halting sites provide their own sleeping accommodation in the form of trailers or caravans based on their personal preference and family composition.

In this regard, their sleeping accommodation is provided through their own resources.

Halting sites in the county are built to the specifications of the Department of Environment, Heritage & Local Government Guidelines. There are currently 7 Halting Sites and 2 emergency sites in operation in the county.

dlrcoco.ie/aboutus/councildepartments/housingandcommunity/applyforit/travelleraccommodation/

[Coles2]

Jesus. At least 8 believed dead. This is horrific.

[AWAAF]

Now 10 being reported.

[Coles2]

But this must be more than one caravan? Three or four even considering the number of victims? I don’t see how that can happen accidentally. Surely a fire in caravan alerts the others before it spreads?

[HiFi]

@Barney Gumble

@Coles2

But this must be more than one caravan? Three or four even considering the number of victims? I don’t see how that can happen accidentally. Surely a fire in caravan alerts the others before it spreads?

Yeah. more than one seems likely - but I imagine it’s possible that people in adjacent caravans could be incapacitated by smoke before the alarm could be raised. If there were no working smoke alarms, you’re probably relying on a light or non-sleeper to be awakened by the sound or light from the fire.

independent.ie/irish-news/fa … 98161.html
Early indications are that all the deceased were sleeping in one portacabin that caught fire. It is understood that it wasn’t a caravan or mobile home that caught fire, but a permanent structure.

[hiphop]

@Mantissa

This is tragic.

It raises the obvious question of whether the housing of the Travelling community should be subject to government regulation for safety purposes. I imagine this is something that would be fiercely resisted since they currently are given significant latitude regarding accommodation due to cultural factors. And if yes, how would the standards be enforced?

I’m not really sure what the answer is. Or if there is one.

Yes, the very same point occurred to me - if fire safety standards were a factor here then it could raise some difficult questions. Questions for another day obviously.

[pm1977]

Council statement mentioned wired smoke alarms and fire extinguishers on site…and something else I can’t remember.

Spark from a barrel fire rumoured cause on front page of one of the redtops.

[HiFi]

This seems a bit premature…given that the investigation is at such an early stage:

rte.ie/news/2015/1010/733747-dublin-fire/
Pavee Point also said in a statement that “many Traveller families throughout Ireland are being forced to live in overcrowded and dangerous situations due to the impact of the housing crisis”, and that “Travellers are often the hidden victims of the housing crisis”. The group added: “It would be particularly tragic if it was to emerge that overcrowding may have been a factor in the spread of the fire this morning.

[Coles2]

@Coles2

@mr_anderson

@Coles2

Imagine the media response if this was in an apartment block instead of at a halting site.

This is front page everywhere.
How would it be different ?Let’s see if it’s still in the media by Monday.

Just three days after the event and this tragedy holds a mirror up to the ugly face of Ireland.

Residents protest against construction of new ‘temporary’ halting site for survivors of Carrickmines blaze

Local residents of a south Dublin estate today delayed the initial construction stages of a temporary halting site earmarked to house the 15 adults and children left homeless as a result of the tragic Glenamuck fire.

Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown County Council issued a letter to residents at around 11am this morning informing them that work was to begin on a plot of land in the Rockville Drive estate immediately to accommodate the survivors of Saturday’s fire which claimed 10 lives.

The remaining family members from the deadly blaze were due to move onto the temporary site on Thursday.

The letter from the council states that the accommodation is only on a temporary basis, until the construction and refurbishment of a permanent site is completed, which is due to take eight months.

This makes me very sad, and very angry.

[irish_bob]

@Coles2

@Coles2

@mr_anderson

@Coles2

Imagine the media response if this was in an apartment block instead of at a halting site.

This is front page everywhere.
How would it be different ?Let’s see if it’s still in the media by Monday.

Just three days after the event and this tragedy holds a mirror up to the ugly face of Ireland.

Residents protest against construction of new ‘temporary’ halting site for survivors of Carrickmines blaze

Local residents of a south Dublin estate today delayed the initial construction stages of a temporary halting site earmarked to house the 15 adults and children left homeless as a result of the tragic Glenamuck fire.

Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown County Council issued a letter to residents at around 11am this morning informing them that work was to begin on a plot of land in the Rockville Drive estate immediately to accommodate the survivors of Saturday’s fire which claimed 10 lives.

The remaining family members from the deadly blaze were due to move onto the temporary site on Thursday.

The letter from the council states that the accommodation is only on a temporary basis, until the construction and refurbishment of a permanent site is completed, which is due to take eight months.

This makes me very sad, and very angry.

surely its understandable that people have security concerns ?

[The_Naked_Chef]

@Coles2

@Coles2

@mr_anderson

@Coles2

Imagine the media response if this was in an apartment block instead of at a halting site.

This is front page everywhere.
How would it be different ?Let’s see if it’s still in the media by Monday.

Just three days after the event and this tragedy holds a mirror up to the ugly face of Ireland.

Residents protest against construction of new ‘temporary’ halting site for survivors of Carrickmines blaze

Local residents of a south Dublin estate today delayed the initial construction stages of a temporary halting site earmarked to house the 15 adults and children left homeless as a result of the tragic Glenamuck fire.

Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown County Council issued a letter to residents at around 11am this morning informing them that work was to begin on a plot of land in the Rockville Drive estate immediately to accommodate the survivors of Saturday’s fire which claimed 10 lives.

The remaining family members from the deadly blaze were due to move onto the temporary site on Thursday.

The letter from the council states that the accommodation is only on a temporary basis, until the construction and refurbishment of a permanent site is completed, which is due to take eight months.

This makes me very sad, and very angry.

Plus 100. Innocent children still waiting to be identified and then buried.
And we get nimbyism.
And 50mill for 1916 celebrations.
One fcked up island this is.

[BlameGame]

I think the residents are wise enough to know that temporary will turn into years.
These lessons in local communities are hard learned
A local amenity is being lost perhaps forever. An (ex?)-council housing estate being asked to take Dun Laoghaire Rathdown’s traveller integration load once more. What a surprise.

[HiFi]

No consultation with the residents whatsoever - just a letter (which is, in reality, a piece of emotional blackmail) informing them that work was to begin *immediately *on a halting site within their estate…

Not the way to do things.

[hiphop]

Temporary halting site = permanent halting site. I would be nimbying the shit out of it if a new halting site was being set up near my back yard or my front yard. Just because there was a tragedy where completely decent and innocent people died doesn’t mean residents don’t have the right to protest against a new halting site in their locality. Would you sacrifice the right to protest in favour of your ideal, tolerant ireland? (Which you seem quite intolerant about waiting for).

[irish_bob]

no one with an ounce of sense would want a halting site in close proximity to their home , chances of crime being an issue are very high

[Coles2]

Latest: Two infants among ten dead in blaze at Dublin halting site, TheJournal.ie

[pm1977]

@Barney Gumble

That’s odd Coles - from the same page, the most popular comment:

https://s16.postimg.org/m5qkfil3p/Comment2.png

*Not sure what 214 people were displeased by, mind you.

The cynic in me thinks those green thumbs are more in support of DFB than travellers, the rest of the comments followed the trend of Coles’ post on the red thumb front.