NAMA likely to pay €4bn over the odds for toxic loans, Davy

Wow. Where can I buy assets like these? The underlying value has fallen by up to 75% in some cases, yet the bank and NAMA uses the long-term economic to value the asset.

Did anyone else see 4 billion, and think ‘phew’? Then wonder if the reason Davy’s are saying 4billion is to try and distract from the fact it may actually be 5 times that.

davy are shitehawks. They started with their answer and worked back. Their analysis is weak. Remember these are the same bunch saying the banks were buys little over a year ago. Davy have more to gain from the taxpayer getting stiffed.

Government genius at work there ladies and gents - apparently, the current market price doesn’t take the future long-term value of an asset into consideration at all… stoopid markets, ha!!!

If we only pay €4bn over the odds it would be a result!

The point is Davy couldn’t predict their way out of a paperbag so it’s likely to far far worse.

You are sooooo right, 4 bill might be a first instalment but 4 bill in total? I think they’re testing the water and will review that upward by a multiple over the next few months due to extenuating circumstances mind you. :unamused:

Typo there?, a small matter of a missing zero perchance?A loss of ten times that would be doing well,the Irish taxpayer is likely to lose 35bn as a result of NAMA’s generosity according to the IMF,and a whopping 25 bn on Anglo alone.So how do you come to a figure of 4bn?Where is the journo’s criticism or response to the report?

The article is total garbage and I can only assume it has been written to placate readers of the rag it is printed in.

…this is the Indo. Re-printing the Davy press release without making any spelling mistakes counts as journalism. If you are looking for a throughtful critique, then you are reading the wrong paper.

What I don’t understand is why aren’t people out on the streets. Once this thing is put into law, the millstones is well and truly around our necks for the next decade.

Look closer to home.

This long term economic value is bullsh1t. Why cant values be attained by comparing to other EU countries/cities/regions of similar size and economic prospects.

If we did this then NAMA would be looking for a 50% haircut at least. The state guaranteed the banks and so can probably not take this hit up front. By applying a smaller (less realistic) haircut we spread the pain over a decade or two.

I still have plans to move back to Ireland with my family (and perhaps even start a business) but I am not stepping foot in the place until I see how we (or should I say you?) plan to pay for this.

These were my thoughts almost precisely when I read this. But even 5 times the figure seems too low, based on how I think things may pan out.


Really good point conor_mc and seems to have gone over the head of the european commission as well as the government.

Not quite re eu. As I understand it the EU were thinking of various ABS notes etc that would suffer from marking to market but were unlikely to pay losses. This is where they came up with this economic value. It was the gombeens in government that are trying to bend this to suit their needs.

Precisely, there is nothing in the long term economic value model that presupposes massive asset price inflation over the next decade to get all the principal players out of a hole.

Davy gets a bit snippy at the suggestion that NAMA may not overpay

Shocking. Imagine asking independent experts when one could have asked insiders…terrible

I don’t understand everything in that Davy’s statement but I think they are saying that in order for the banks to survive as independent outfits the state can only get a discount of up to 26% in one case, 18% in another

Lets ignore the actual value of the ‘assets’, how can the people of Ireland make your life easier Mr. Bankster.

Its a bit like a bankrupt houseowner saying to the bank that in order for me to have an Indian takeaway every few nights and a good social life, ye can only charge me X every month for the mortgage, ignore the amount of money Ive borrowed, its all about my comfort level.