That is now but if the worst case scenario happens, which I sincerely hope does not, FF will return to their nativist roots. Remember, I’ve been told repeated since the mid 90’s that its all different now, it a whole new country, very different from the '70’s and '80’s but come 2016 what do I find, fuck all difference in voting patterns. Or the electorate. Despite crashing the country yet again FF are on course to become the largest party again and SF’s nationalist socialism is now acceptable mainstream politics. SF may have their Mary Lou’s as beards to hide behind, but the old beards of the 1980’s still run the show.
As long as times are good the recent incomers are welcome, but only up to a point. But a return to the 1980’s let alone the 1950’s economically, add in a fractured EU, and all bets are off. I dont know which Ireland you know but the one I have known almost 50 years by this stage, which ranges from the most cosmopolitan and salubrious parts of the urban area, to the most deep country and traditional part of the rural areas have shown a remarkable continuity in both attitudes and outlook. Both good and bad.
Ireland still does not have a strong civic culture. A string sense of civic responsibility. It is that lack of civic culture that makes me so worried for the future. In the 90’s especially I was willing to suspend disbelief for a while and believe that the country was changing. Had changed. After the last ten years, Nah. Its still the same old place.
I can only hope to be pleasantly surprised by what happens next. That I am wrong. Which I hope I am. But I am planning on being prepared for when things go very wrong. Which I’m afraid they will.
Which in the case of a serious EU/Eurozone political crisis will most likely be a FF/SF unity government. A FF/FG unity government would be better for the country. But given the evidence of the horse trading and rampant cute hoorism of the most recent coalition negotiations , thats not going to happen. If it did not happen in WW2 its not going to happen now. So SF it is.
Actually despite FGs statements things have not really been good since 2009 and are not that good now for a lot of people. Yet still no FF nativist rhetoric. They still have lots of elected reps- go on google as hard as you can and find me all the FF nativism expressed since 2009 ?
When you start ascribing to an Eoghan Harris analysis it kinda shows you up as the dinosaur.
Read any of the interviews in the French media the last few months? The LR presidential candidate knock about has been a big story for the last few months. Some attempt has been made to cover the PS candidate jockeying with some attention but its a losing battle considering how irrelevant they are for the second round. Sometimes the anglophone media does cover a bit more than the big events but rarely covers the day to day stuff. Which is were all the fine details are.
If you want evidence trying reading the stories in Le Figaro, Le Point, L’Express and Liberation the last month or so. They go into forensic detail. Or even watch the debate. It should be easy to find on the TF1 site. If you want your “evidence” in anglophone media you are not going to find it. It would be a bit like trying to find nuanced coverage of Irish politics in the US media. Not going to happen.
No. I still can’t find any. Im not going to listen to another political snore debate but again I haven’t see or heard anything from fillon remotely hard right on immigration etc. Certainly to the hard right economical and very conservative. He’s a bit of a non entity but may win the nomination but hes no Sarkozy or Le Pen.
Just as an aside, why does Brexit or a rise in any anti immigration party have to be attributable to a swing to the hard right?
This is from Oxford:
In the UK it is straight forward and simple to understand. Why is it a shock to anyone that they chose this path? In retrospect we should all have seen this well in advance.
The UK is high density with lots of competition for housing and jobs. It has the smallest average dwelling sizes in the OECD
In Ireland we have no jobs and a persistent property bubble in the only place you can get a job, Dublin. Why would things be all that much different politically?
Property should have continuously decreased in value due to below replacement level birth rates.
Over the past decade, the ‘progressive’ left has not only captured the totality of left of the political sphere, but it has also constructed a narrative wholly based around cultural issues that for the most part is focussed on advancing the interests of ‘progressives’ (ie people like themselves) and ethnic/cultural minority groupings. The narrative was based on the premise that multi-cultural societies are based on a myriad of co-existing, independent, culturally specific groupings (on whose behalf the left consistently advocates), and whose interests, while ‘intersecting’ (see ‘intersectionalism’) in a number of areas, were essentially single issue campaigns striven for by people passionate about each of them in their own right…and supported and offered solidarity from ‘allies’ within each of the other single issue groupings on the broader left.
There was no focus whatsoever on economics as per traditional socialism/Marxism and the idea of class-based identity and the division of labour was abandoned. For example, more focus would have been paid to ensuring that multi-national corporations implement affirmative-action type programmes (seen as a victory if they do), than on examining the role that many of those same corporations play in exploiting workers across the board.
That the indigenous working classes of western countries would in time begin to adopt these same principles should have been obvious to anyone with a brain. The idea that they might deem themselves to have interests of their own and that they might at some point begin to express them at the ballot box shouldn’t really come as a surprise to anyone. That their interests might not coincide with those living in hipsterville (very often their own (currently gentrified), former neighbourhood), again shouldnt really be that surprising. Nor should it be surprising that they would begin to vote for people who promise to advocate on their behalf…all they’re doing is acting in the same manner as others on the left…it just so happens that the left, in its current form, quite obviously no longer represents them.
And I’m not going to trawl through the French media looking for the pull quotes you are looking for. Watch the bloody debate on Sunday night and listen carefully for the very precise usage of very certain phrases regarding “law abiding” Muslims and citizenship and laicite and the state. You may not get the drift but you can be very certain that everyone watching does.
You do know what the terms Thatcherite and Liberal mean in a French political context? Given what Juppe was throwing at Fillon yesterday in interview after interview you can be sure that what he was referring to was not economic but social. We’ll see. But the way things work in France at the moment is that what Sarkozy said in public is what a lot of the more “moderate” LR voters are thinking in private. If the non FN candidate can finesse Sarkozys immigration message into a form that the “moderates” can accept then they are in. Otherwise its Marine.
The people I talk to on a daily basis live very much in France Profonde. Very much the real France. I’ve noticed that ex-pat French tend towards the 75’ers and that ilk. Very much urban and more bien pensant. More likely to read Liberation and Le Monde than L’Equipe and papers like Ouest France. Which is what ordinary people read. Expats never accurately reflect the home country. Just saying.
Seems to me to be dangerously missing the point. There has never been,and never can be, a scientific basis for (the strong version of) atheism, whether it’s 19th century or 21st century science. Your “liberal scientific rational thinkers” delude themselves if they think that their atheism is more justified because their science is more up to date. They are even more deluded if they think it is a philosophical basis for some sort of middle-of-the-road vaguely leftie moral outlook. But then it’s normal for the prevailing cultural outlook to seek to show that it is not just a trend, but part of the natural order of things. That sort of confidence then leads to the horror, disbelief, and downright incomprehension that the liberal secular establishment shows to the rise of the new right (or whatever it is that is rising … damned if I know).
Maybe this comments should be in the sloppy journalism thread where an apparently reputable news source parrotted an incorrect number without factchecking.
The figures for average unit size for Ireland are wrong. The 88 square metres applies to the average unit size for apartments for which planning permissions were granted in Q2 of 2016 alone – see the CSO data in BHQ05: Planning Permissions Granted for New Houses and Apartments by Type of Dwelling, Quarter and Statistic cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire … Language=0
In Q2 2016, planning permissions were granted for 2,340 houses with an average floor area of 180.3 square metres and 801 apartments with an average floor area of 88 square metres giving an average unit size of 156.95 square metres across both unit types.
I would have thought these house and apartment sizes compare favourably with at least those in the rest of Europe. The US and Canada would be different because of the slightly larger house sizes.
Also, the bare numbers would need more analysis to understand if property sizes for some countries include basements which are pervasive in the US and Canada for houses but almost non-existent in Ireland. So the same plot size might yield a large house size for this reason.
These numbers apply to the entire country are so are not broken out by urban and rural areas or for specific locations.
I can only assume that the same error applies to the UK average property sizes and that the number quoted refers to apartments only.
There are demographic changes and other factors in the UK that are driving the construction of large numbers of small apartments such as the high divorce rate in later life leading to the need for new accommodation for single people.
It is unlikely that the numbers for the US apply to apartments only. I have stayed in some very very small apartments in some of the larger US cities.
If you are really interested, the average unit sizes from 1977 onwards are listed below. There is a gap in the data from 1999Q1 to 2000Q2.
The numbers also do not include developments that do not need (or did not get) planning permission. These numbers would be very small and are probably not relevant.
It is always better to go to the closest original sources of information rather than take other people’s word.
Planning permissions for houses are currently at close to the lowest level since the series started. This means there is no short-term pipeline of new houses that will be available in the next two or so years. So much for a government looking to target FDI and to getting additional employment from the UK’s decision to leave the EU.
Meanwhile Simon the Useless Coveney dithers about getting more properties built and is looking for another study. Clearly his smarter brother got the decision-making gene.
Ah, what passes for Irish pub “wit” and “humour”. The gobshite in the corner nursing his half pint for the whole evening makes another lame attempt at a humourous interjection. To which the only reply is the traditional - tosser.
Lack of a charismatic leader so far.
And possibly also the fact that so many Irish have had family members emmigrate abroad. Though you could say the same for Poles in the past 20 years and yet they have seen a rise in votes for the right.
A few things I believe explain we haven’t seen a similar reaction.
Eastern Europeans wanting to live in rural Ireland has seen a reversal of rural decline that has dogged national politics for a century. They’re church going and on a night out in a pub with the music up, superficially there’s no discernable difference. The national basketball scene got a tremendous shot in the arm from this influx.
We are an emigrant nation, we understand apartness and we understand that an emigrant will always have an eye towards home and we don’t begrudge them that.
We haven’t had the major influx that other former colonial nations have experienced. Parts of Manchester where I am at the moment feel practically like a different country. That apartness has actively encouraged by previous administrations not tackling schools that didn’t even teach english, entrenching cultural and ethnical insularity.
We already have foreigner problems with British Nationalists in ulster who think Irish people speaking Irish is an act of cultural supremacy so we’re well used to ignoring the “muh culture” excuse when it’s used as a vehicle to attack us.
Looks like FF may be going down this route
FF Louth Cllr Emma Coffey
“I am calling for a hard border to be implemented to protect our local and national economy and to protect the influx migration entering Europe in my country, Europe’s back door.”
Fianna Fáil should “call it as it is, and state that a hard border must be implemented to protect not just our national integrity but also our rights as European citizens”.