Much talk of this at a family do last night. One well-known developer is apparently bust, the bank have seized the company and all the assets (i.e. ghost estates), but are looking at a £200 million loss. From one developer.
And he’s only the first to go to the wall. 3 or 4 other builders were being talked about as “next”. And these are all just Derry & Tyrone builders!
As I said before the north will be on their way to the next boom while we are still denying that the current bubble existed in the first place.
Through the chair,
I hereby formally request a temporary and localised suspension of the No Glee policy.
-Rd
I have to say my sympathy is lacking in respect of these guys who did in Derry and elsewhere in the North what had happened here in the south.
Another thing some of these guys would take the pennies off a dead mans eyes (allegedly) so let the market correct itself and bring on the liquidator.
The sooner this happens the sooner things get back to normal and thats both sides of the border
You gotta love the journo there. Fill yer boots with the glee.
It’s good to see the openness here however, at least the developers in N.I. are admitting to the issue. They are out of the denial and well into the “despearation” mode.
Down here in the 26 counties however it’s all very much behind closed doors, legs beneath the table.
Down here also I’m thinking that instead of “top-of-the-range Porsche, Mercedes and Land Rover vehicles” our high fliers are dealing with top of the range Ferraris, Bentleys and Citations; Porsche, Mercedes and LandRovers are just so yesterday!
They only just set their builders association up and de members are threatening the banks big time with a strike , a payment strike . Maybe NI banks have auditors who will not sanction rollups eh ??
Its just like the way the IFA used to behave when Country Tom was in charge.
In fact I would love to be a fly on the wall when Country Tom visits our banks for a chat about ‘tings’
But there was desperation in the voices of several developers who spoke from the floor as they warned that the depressed market will not only leave them bankrupt, but a huge number of workers connected to the property market jobless.
Would somebody think of the workers, it is amazing what concerns developers when things come tight on them. I doubt they would be showing much concern for workers if things were rosy. They would continue to underpay wherever they can, using subbies, make no pension contributions, pocket tax deductions. This segment needs to crash and hopefully it will come back in a leaner, more robust, fairer form, I can dream.
Its possible that many of the Northern guys “made their bones” down here around the turn of the century. I remember working beside a couple of large construction sites in Dublin city centre about 2002 and it seemed to be full of mainly northern accents. There was probably a natural assumption that the virus would spread across the border and this more than likely fed into the creation of the northern bubble. However, the speed with which they seem to be emerging from their bubble would appear to suggest that the trappings of “bubble” had not yet become a lifestyle definition to the same extent that it had down here.

Much talk of this at a family do last night. One well-known developer is apparently bust, the bank have seized the company and all the assets (i.e. ghost estates), but are looking at a £200 million loss. From one developer.
And he’s only the first to go to the wall. 3 or 4 other builders were being talked about as “next”. And these are all just Derry & Tyrone builders!
Have you any idea when, or if, the first thing will be reported in the media? The construction industry up here claim thousands have been laid off recently but specific redundancy announcements are rarely made.
[**Bad loans up at AIB’s Northern subsidiary * * (https://www.tribune.ie/business/news/article/2008/aug/24/bad-loans-up-at-aibs-northern-subsidiary/)
Jon Ihle
Impaired loans to the construction and property sector jumped by two-thirds at AIB’s Northern Ireland subsidiary First Trust in 2007, according to the most recently available accounts.The bank identified £80m worth of loans at risk of losses, up from £48m in 2006. This accounted for 40% of total impairments, making it by far the largest portfolio.
Past due loans to construction and property companies came in at much higher £502m for the year, or 63% of the total, but these loans are kept off the impairment list if the bank is satisfied that the borrower will ultimately make good on payments.
The Construction and Property Group, which represents 70 Northern Irish property developers, warned a public meeting last week that leading banks are facing huge losses because of the collapsing housing market. Developers are looking for cooperation from banks to head off what a spokesman called “colossal” loan losses due to bankruptcies in the sector.
Brokers familiar with the situation told the Sunday Tribune that First Trust could be especially vulnerable as the bank was a “latecomer” to property development lending in the North and had a disproportionate share of small, inexperienced clients who were now facing steep asset devaluations on recently built properties.