A stat that I found amazing from the point of view of property is on page 35 and 36
Of the 71,705 births in 2012, 54,464 were from an ‘Irish’ mother - i.e. 25% of all births are from non-nationals
The figure is even more extreme on the next page when looked at from an ‘Irish’ father however there are lots of n/a under Nationality
From a country management perspective, it shows that Europe’s most attractive social welfare programme is still pulling them in (it also shows how hopeless the job of managing our Healthcare system is under this influx - we will have constant deficits here and lots of creative accounting needed to meet out Trokia targets)
… From a property perspective however, it shows that there should be a continual demand - at least at the lower end of the ladder - from new arrivals to Ireland ?
PS I fairness having read this again, I should note that my experience of the vast (vast) bulk of non-nationals coming to Ireland is that they work hard and somtimes for little (i.e we are lucky to have them). When I think of how my generation in England in the 1970s and 1980s to also worked hard and for little but to also claim multiple ‘doles’ where possible, we have little to complain about. I do think that our health and education infrastructure is not set up to cope with this.
I’m not sure how you reach that conclusion. The expensive users of a healthcare system are normally the older cohort rather than the younger one. The younger productive members of society generally fund the healthcare of the retirees. Are there any statistics that show immigrants to Ireland buck this general pattern in terms of using more health resources than other members of society?
From a cursory read of the report, it seems more of the chickens of the bubble years are coming home to roost.
While Ireland still has a reasonable birth rate, the fall out of the property madness; the fiscal issues, high unemployment, negative equity, large mortgages leading to a perceived bleak outlook and resultant emigration especially as these affect the key twenty- and thirty- something cohorts (they’re the potential FTB’s and family home buyers in the market as well as being at their most fertile) seems to be taking the momentum out of the blip in population growth.
If the trend were to continue, then over the long term (20 years+, or from a market perspective for those thinking interest only on a BTL investment, about the time you’d be experting to sell to cover the principle) there may not be a massive surge on the demand side. Certainly the existing demographics suggest that in the short to medium term there’s not likely to be an increase in demand, unless it comes from migrants … and they don’t tend to have either the disposition or income buy.
At least we higher professional non irish mothers are increasing the national breastfeeding rates (page 78 and page 80).
How many children were born last year to irish parents overseas?
There are a lot more important questions arising from the study than just nationality. Why are there fewer spontaneous deliveries and more c sections as stated on page 22 (the book I’m reading at the moment suggests that our western diet is responsible for the medicalisatin of birth as we aren’t consuming the vitamins and nutrients required to be healthy)? How come 96.6% of mothers having a home birth breastfed (page 131) as opposed to 47% in Ireland as a whole? These points significantly increase the cost of the maternity and health systems in Ireland.
I’ve been struck recently by the number of young non-nationals I’ve met who have either bought in the last few years or are saving madly in order to buy.
One buyer a multiracial couple in early 30s bought in Monkstown - 2 kids now - no plans to ever move from Ireland
Another a late 20s highly educated single Googler from a southern european country has bought a Grand Canal 2 bed apartment - wants to put down roots here.
Among those looking are a French single father with a junior professional job here. He moved back to France but couldn’t settle so he’s renting here with his child and has started to look to buy - a small inheritance will help
A moldovan couple not long here - earning minimum wage - working all the hours in the day to buy a house - never want to go home.
I don’t know what it means for the house or job market but it certainly surprised me how keen they all are to buy. Its not just an Irish thing.
The cost of having children in Ireland is lower than in Poland!!! I’m very surprised at reading that…have you any back-up for this? (nappies, toys and clothes certainly are’nt cheap here).
And tell me more about the free creche service…I’ve a few young 'uns I’d like to put in for that
Nappies, toys, clothes are roughly the same price, but salaries are maybe a quarter or a third of what you can earn in Ireland, so they feel much more expensive. Food is cheaper, but not that much. No child benefit, some tax credits only.
There are “free” (you do pay a nominal fee) creches provided by the state, but places are limited so there’s a lottery type of thing going on every year. Unless you’re single and employed, as it bumps you up to the top of the list - some people don’t marry to avail of these places. Other than that, you pay for private childcare; it’s cheaper in absolute terms but not in relation to earnings. School doesn’t start until 6 years of age.
Lots of Polish couples I know are settling here (and working); we are one of them. 25% does not surprise me at all as immigrants in Ireland are what, 15-18% of population? And we tend to be of childbearing age.
Speaking about the cost of having children, if you look at the European statistics the countries where both parents can combine working with having children and still have a decent life (Scandinavia and France for example) tend to come out on top. Ireland has long been an outlier there considering the crazy cost of childcare, but that seems to be changing.
One person can have PPS numbers in more than one country, so the charts do not provide conclusive evidence whether or not within Europe there is Social Welfare Tourism.
Apart from that :
PIGS countries issue more PPS numbers due to the fact that these countries are the first landing points of migratory inflows from outside the EU (Italy/Spain from Northern Africa, Greece from Middle East and Asia).
Charts on BRIC countries are the effect of growing economies.
Other countries (such as Bulgaria or Romania) are slowly moving from a post-communist economic model to an economy based on Western standards (same trend can be seen in previous years in Slovakia, Lithuania and Poland)
Other countries in Africa or Asia are flat because they don’t provide social services and there is a net outflow in migration.