Planning rules forcing Kerry people to live like ‘hobbits’

Introducing Maura Healy-Rae the latest parish pump fcukwit

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Simple solution - ban one off housing.

Our current laws and process are a disaster for rural development.

Bring back the village!

many years ago, a family i know wanted planning permission to build on a good site, outside a Kerry town.
they were going to do a very nice job and build “in the hollow” to minimise impact etc.
H-R snr visited them, and laid out the terms to get their planning.
They, being shocked, refused.
Today, the site is still a green field.

What were his terms?

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And what drive more people to Dublin and force them into lifetime debt slavery so they can leave in a dreary semiD or apartment? What about people who actually need to live in the countryside OR do not have to live/work in the big smoke?

Simpler solution is to permit building on raised sites so as to help avoid flooding and in process reduce insurance rates and public money needed to cleanup after flooding events which seem more common.

Why is the choice Dublin or one off housing?

Seriously whatever happened to the concept of a village, or even stretching that small regional towns?
Grant planning permission close to existing amenities (where they’ve managed to survive) or clusters of houses where they haven’t.

Their problem was they didn’t bring a translator.

It is sort of hard to manage a farm/land when you are not near it

I would advocate a system like in the UK where if you can prove you need to live in a rural area (e.g, you are farming), then you can build your house.

Here, you have a string of one offs on one acre sites allowed along rural roads, with the people living in them working in a town 20 miles away. That’s the case in my locality anyway.

There are villages in rural ireland - I’ve seen them. Besides, what percentage of people living in one-off houses in the countryside are actually farmers? If you are a farmer you will generally get permission to build on your farm (though not necessarily a mock georgian mansion on the highest point of the farm); farmers don’t like planning restrictions though as it means they can’t sell sites for housing.

That’s fair enough for farmers, but I’d venture to say that well over 90% of those looking to build a house in the back end of a field in Kerry aren’t farmers.

Not sure of the guidelines in Kerry but I’ve read the guidelines for restricted development in other counties and it’s all based around 10 acres minimum being actively farmed by the applicant. The land entered as part of the application is then not eligible to be used as part of another farm house application for a period of time. Basically such exceptions already exist.

There is a 25 acre site down the road, under your “suggestion” if I buy it and want to go into farming (I dont know grow organic nettles or something :smiley:) I would not be able to build a house on my own land.

British countryside is probably a bad example anyways, it is littered with superfarms and OLD home, its simply a soulless space between cities. No wonder so many tourists come to Ireland and head for our rural locations (Dublin being a mediocre tourist destination at best)

Anyway that is going away from the point of people not being allowed to avoid flooding on their own land. Maybe they should build on stilts but if course no house will get planning permission for that…

I am a farmer and I was refused planning permission to build on my own farm. I have a little cottage about 2 miles from the farm and the council decided I don’t have a ‘housing need’. I spend my life driving this two miles up and down the road (and posting on TPP!).

Yet, in the meantime, permission is given to other people who don’t work in the area to build on one off sites. As long as they can prove a tie to the area. (Grandparent etc).

And then they wonder why no young people go into farming and the countryside ends up full of “old” farmers, we have policies that drive young people into bigger cities (Imagine that now, driving up house prices there further)

If given a choice between living in a small Ballygobackwards village with no prospects and Dublin (and 2-3 other cities) where do most people chose to go? Yep.

They certainly have enough idiots

A field ten miles from the village?

And then they drive twenty miles to the nearest mid-size town for all their shopping and socialising and fifty miles to Dublin/Limerick/Galway/Cork for work.

Meanwhile the local village has no prospects because it’s not big enough to warrant a decent broadband connection so there’s no possibility of remote or semi-remote workers becoming established. The local pub has closed down years ago because there’s no point when someone always has to drive and carting home the baby sitter is a pain when you get home after a night out. The shop is gone too because since you’ve to get in the car anyway you might as well just keep going and get everything you need. The bus service is once a week because why would you take the bus when you’re in the car anyway . . .

Maybe they should designate “new village” development centres on the top of hills so that people can get a view, but only if they live in a village.

I have tried (at length) to persuade rural dwellers that this is the problem. Invariably I am told to shut my big Dub mouth. I am yet to meet anyone who has a better explanation for the hollowing out of rural Ireland (except that it’s all Dublin’s fault, for… some reason…).

This is nuts!

Bungalow Blight. Rural Ireland’s landscape is more like like looking at mushrooms growing on horseshit. We have no unspoilt landscape left.

Only a small fraction of these will be actual farmers. Why do they all want to live in one of houses with their septic tanks poisoning the landscape, demanding utility connections and moaning about crap broadband and poor mobile signals. Fucking live in a village with neighbours and friends you can call over to with out having to drive to or even just to get a pint of milk!!!