RENAMED: DUBLIN TENANTS ASSOCIATION Q's RE: Tenants Associat

Has the time come. Is this it. A genuine movement based on a common need. Enough is enough, for everybody.

If it is. I think it is. It will most probably be better to be 100% political about it in the most non-political bi-partisan way.

For anyone in Dublin 15:

facebook.com/Dub15RIGHT2HOUSING

Actually a lot of people argued against on the basis that it put private tenants under increased pressure/it only benefited landlords.

Found this:

facebook.com/Right2housingdublincentral

It’s a Sinn Fein “Right2Housing” community.

It focuses mainly on RAS issues/Housing List crisis, but the overall housing policy makes for interesting reading for tenants in private rented properties:

“Rent Supplement spending accounts for one third of all rental units across the state. Any blanket move to raise rent supplement payments risks causing further rent hikes across the board which could lead to increased homelessness.”

“There is a housing and homelessness crisis in this country. Government inaction is not an option and certain actions while welcome for those who will immediately benefit will ultimately make matters worse for all those households that are struggling to cover the cost of their rent. We need a social housing building programme that delivers more and faster than what has been announced by government. And we need a system of rent controls to be introduced as a matter of urgency.

“**A combination of social housing, rental price controls and greater protections for tenants in the private rented sector is what is needed. **

Continually increasing rent supplement is like chasing the hare, landlords will continue to increase prices if they are not prevented from doing so by rent controls”.

HOUSING POLICY DOCUMENTS:

Labour (92 pages long, ironically) - labour.ie/policy/listing/141 … 89223.html

Sinn Fein - sinnfein.ie/files/2014/HousingDocument.pdf

Fianna Fail - scribd.com/doc/224078098/FF- … olicy-2014

Renua - (3 paragraphs, calls for reintroduction of Bedsits :open_mouth: ) - renuaireland.com/Policy-Renua-Ireland-web.pdf

People Before Profit - peoplebeforeprofit.ie/node/846

Fine Gael - Cannot locate on website??? Maybe somebody could provide?? I’m assuming Enda knows the pixies have to live somewhere…

Its great stuff, kinda, well the bit about government interference, at least, but its a quare name. A Dublin 4 gap year activist having an aaowfle laawf, perhaps. Stealing of acronym is divisive in a way not relevant to the issues. Using anti housing abuse energy to slag off the RA? I don’t think so. Maybe they’re working for the enemy. Anyway, lobbying just indicates an absence of democracy, even of the distorted version of democracy that we are supposed to currently have.

On second reading, I’ve changed my mind about great stuff, maybe its mostly smoke. Greater recognition as valid? They getting grief at the golf club or something? Persons? Oh, that sounds legal, maybe I should let you do my thinking for me. ‘and families of all ages’ Well isn’t that inclusive. I see rainbows and kittens. ‘for persons and families of all ages’ was not neccessary there, so why is it there? To sound the part. And why that? Hmmmn. And given that tax breaks and benefits are wrong we should demand them as well. And if mortgage holders are being let off with something you should give us something. Not just don’t let them off, you notice. Better representation from the media? They want the government to legslate for that?
I’ve changed my mind. They’re either muppets wanting to be let near the gravy and acting the maggot, or worse, a deliberate fake group designed to absorb potentially damaging political energy like a sponge which can then be safely wrung out into the drain round the back of leinster house. And when you’re popping out to Dalkey later for the bash, Mork, make sure you don’t bring any of those guys with you, now… But those spookey muthas are smarter than to use that acronym, unless they misread the culture due to the (mythical) Marie-Antoinette effect,… Hmmmn, indeed. Very curious, Captain. Must have another look at them sometime when I’ve got nothing better to do. They ain’t much use, tho.

Updated:

Social Democrats - socialdemocarts.ie/ideas “Legislating to promote security of tenure and rent certainty, including constitutional change if necessary” (emphasis my own)

Good grief, that’s all we need! :unamused: Even more irrelevant, ephemeral, incidental stuff shoehorned into the constitution, that ought to be dealt with possibly by continuing legislation at the most, or more likely by temporary, contingent rules, enforced by legally defined protocols.

At this stage, I’d consider voting for any party that would promise to delete at least 90% of the constitution and replace it with a basic set of ground rules for selecting, defining and limiting executive, legislative, judicial and security bodies.

Please. No More Random Constitutional Crap!

I think they are referring to statements made by the current government that the introduction of rent controls in Ireland would be “unconstitutional”.

Although this report:

LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF RENT CERTAINTY MEASURES JUNE 2015
threshold.ie/download/pdf/th … als__2.pdf

states:

"*Constitutional and human rights

o There is no obstacle either under the Constitution or the European Convention on Human Rights to the introduction of rent certainty measures, provided any such measures amount to a proportionate interference with the exercise by landlords of their property rights [para.1 – 25]*."

Updated again - “Right2Change” added:
HOUSING POLICY DOCUMENTS:

Labour (92 pages long, ironically) - labour.ie/policy/listing/141 … 89223.html

Sinn Fein - sinnfein.ie/files/2014/HousingDocument.pdf

Fianna Fail - scribd.com/doc/224078098/FF- … olicy-2014

Renua - (3 paragraphs, calls for reintroduction of Bedsits :open_mouth: ) - renuaireland.com/Policy-Renua-Ireland-web.pdf

People Before Profit - peoplebeforeprofit.ie/node/846

Fine Gael - Cannot locate on website??? Maybe somebody could provide?? I’m assuming Enda knows the pixies have to live somewhere…

Social Democrats - socialdemocarts.ie/ideas “Legislating to promote security of tenure and rent certainty, including constitutional change if necessary” (emphasis my own)

Right2Change - right2water.ie/sites/default … licies.pdf

This is happening on Friday evening - facebook.com/events/842274349220667/

Are you planning on attending?

If anyone attends do report back. :nin

Well spotted gavras– thank you.

I gave up “Culture Night” for the #SocDems, but may be able to make this, and will report back if I do.

We certainly shouldn’t be rushing to bring back the dingy, dank, dark bedsits of yesteryear, but in the current market there is a horrific shortage of small, single person accommodation. Look at the price of one of Rathmines’ surviving bedsits (€1k+/month) to see how acute the shortage is and how it’s playing out.

Provision of a small number of high quality studio apartments should be a part of any housing strategy. The fact that what we actually have is a minimum size of 55sq m in Dublin is the epitome of “nice idea, shame about the reality” politics.

As I’m no longer a tenant I feel an appearance may be a little disingenuous. There’s a few from my network involved however so if I hear anything I will gladly report.

Since it’s the Teachers Club, are there any/many connections to existing left or union outfits within the ranks?

Those I know are left-leaning but not aligned to the likes of PBP/AAA/etc.

More info here dublintenants.wordpress.com/

Did anyone go?

Hi,

I am renaming this thread as I think this organisation is really the answer to the question that I originally asked:

(albiet Dublin based - apologies to anyone outside Dublin).

As far as I can make out they are just a group of ordinary tenants articulating the lack of representation and the “2nd class” status of tenants in this country.

housingactionireland.wordpress. … sociation/
dublintenants@gmail.com
facebook.com/dublintenants

newstalk.com/podcasts/The_Pa … hts/99605/

Excellent Dublin Enquirer article:

dublininquirer.com/2015/09/30/is … nts-union/
and excerpt:

“Ireland has the shortest notice in Western Europe, he explained, with landlords needing to give just 28 days, while in Denmark it is a year and in France it is six months.
Tenants in Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and Switzerland also have the pleasure of unlimited leases and rent controls.”

I didn’t make the meeting on Friday but hope to make one of the tuesday meetings and will post when I do.

Event 1st December…

facebook.com/dublintenants/