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#126

“This statement puzzles me.”

It means that those who are exploiting current events to promote the abandonment of Irish neutrality and the rush to an externally-directed militarism are not friends of the Irish people.


#127

It means that those who are exploiting current events to promote the abandonment of Irish neutrality and the rush to an externally-directed militarism are not friends of the Irish people.

I haven’t called for that. The current government response has been appropriate. Humanitarian assistance and economic sanctions is about all we can really offer and would certainly have a greater impact than shipping the 25 Javelin’s that currently sit in our army stores. Irish neutrality is not even in question, nor should it be unless there is a direct threat to the state.


#128

Always with the laboratory conditions arguments! :roll_eyes:

So yea, turns out it is the same thing but it is catastrophically worse than you have failed to imagine.

This is“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

Marcus Tullius Cicero


#129

A compilation and snippet of some interesting posts form the https://t.me/intelslava channel 16/17th April. It’ pretty gruesome in there tbh, this being more sanitary content:

Intel Slava Z, [16/04/2022 18:27]
:ru::ukraine::zap:The entire urban area of Mariupol has been cleared of Ukrainian troops, the remnants of the group are blocked at Azovstal — RF Ministry of Defense

:ru::ukraine::exclamation:Russian Ministry of Defense: the irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian army, the National Guard and mercenaries amount to 23,367 people.

In Mariupol alone, the losses of the Ukrainian group amounted to more than 4,000 people, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

:ru::ukraine::exclamation:The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has reliable data on the true losses of the Ukrainian army, the National Guard and foreign mercenaries who arrived, which Zelensky is afraid to tell the people of Ukraine.

Today, irretrievable losses amount to 23,367 people.

Separate data from Ukrainian documents on our losses, revealing the place of death of the burial place of the dead, we will soon publish - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

:ru::ukraine::zap:According to the Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine lost more than 1,000 servicemen in the Ilovaisk cauldron.

:ru::ukraine::zap:In Mariupol at the time of its encirclement on March 11, there were: 36th separate brigade of marines, 109th brigade of territorial defense, 503rd separate battalion of marines, a company of the 53rd separate mechanized brigade, units of the 17th anti-tank brigade, Nazi formations “Azov”, “Aidar”, “Right Sector”*, police and state border service units, as well as foreign mercenaries - RF Ministry of Defense

The total number of this group was about 8,100 people

:ru::ukraine::zap: Russia had sent an ultimatum to the Office of the President of Ukraine that if the surrender of Azovstal was not agreed, the plant would be razed to the ground with vacume bombs. Everyone will be buried alive, and the choice of what to do is up to Zelensky.

:ru::ukraine::zap:The militants blocked at the Azovstal Mariupol plant are in a hopeless situation and demand permission from Kyiv to surrender, but the Ukrainian authorities demand heroic suicide from them.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation offer the militants to lay down their arms from 06:00 Moscow time on April 17, guaranteeing the preservation of life.

:ru::ukraine::exclamation:Given the catastrophic situation that has developed at the Azovstal metallurgical plant, as well as being guided by purely humane principles, the Russian Armed Forces offer militants of nationalist battalions and foreign mercenaries from 06:00 (Moscow time) on April 17, 2022 to stop any hostilities and lay down their arms. All who lay down their arms are guaranteed the preservation of life.

:white_medium_small_square: Once again we call on the official authorities of Kyiv to show prudence, give appropriate instructions to the militants to stop the senseless resistance and leave the center of resistance. But realizing that they will not receive such orders and commands from the Kiev authorities, we urge them to make such a decision on their own and lay down their arms.

:white_medium_small_square: In addition, we appeal to all military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and foreign mercenaries - with the cynical attitude of the Kiev authorities, such an unenviable fate awaits all of you. With this in mind, do not tempt your fate following the example of the Mariupol tragedy, but make the only right decision to stop hostilities and lay down your arms now, wherever your “curators” force you to fight for the ideas of Nazism. At the same time, the Russian Federation guarantees to each of you the preservation of life and compliance with all the norms of the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war, as it already happened with your comrades who had previously surrendered in Mariupol.

:ru::ukraine::exclamation:The Russian Defense Ministry, after calling on the militants of nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries blocked at Azovstal to surrender on Sunday morning, publishes an algorithm of actions:

Since 5.00 a continuous connection is established between the Russian and Ukrainian sides for the exchange of information;

From 5.30 am, militants of nationalist battalions and foreign mercenaries - on the one hand, the Russian Armed Forces, together with the military formations of the DPR - on the other hand, declare a “complete silence regime”;

At 06:00, both sides will mark the actual beginning of the “silence regime” by raising flags: from the Russian side - red, from the Ukrainian side - white around the entire perimeter of Azovstal;

From 6.00 to 13.00 Moscow time - the exit of all without exception Ukrainian armed units and foreign mercenaries, without any weapons and ammunition.

:ru::ukraine::tr::zap:In the course of offensive actions to liberate the city of Mariupol, at the request of Turkish President R. Erdogan, on April 16, a special operation was carried out by Russian forces in the Primorsky district to free the hostages held by the Ukrainian Nazis in a Turkish mosque - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

As a result of the selfless actions of the Russian special forces group, the mosque was released, 29 militants were killed, including foreign mercenaries.

The hostages, citizens of one of the CIS countries, were released and taken to a safe place.

:ukraine: :exclamation:Kyiv banned negotiations on surrender, ordering the Nazis of “Azov” * to shoot anyone who wants to lay down their arms - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

:ru::exclamation:New briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the main thing:

  • As a result of the selfless actions of the Russian special forces group, the mosque was released, 29 militants were killed, including foreign mercenaries;

  • The hostages, citizens of one of the CIS countries, were released and taken to a safe place;

  • Surrounded and completely blocked in Mariupol on the territory of the Azovstal metallurgical plant, the Ukrainian group was asked to voluntarily lay down their arms and surrender;

  • In total, according to the Ukrainian servicemen who surrendered, up to 400 foreign mercenaries are now surrounded on the territory of the Azovstal enterprise as part of the Ukrainian group;

  • Most of them are citizens of European countries, as well as Canada;

  • In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the Kyiv nationalist regime has attracted 6,824 foreign mercenaries from 63 states to Ukraine;

  • The most numerous group arrived from Poland - 1717 people. About one and a half thousand mercenaries arrived from the USA, Canada, and also Romania. From the UK and Georgia, each - up to 300 people;

  • The vast majority of mercenaries are now distributed as part of Ukrainian groups in the cities of Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev and Mariupol;

  • As a result of hostilities, the number of mercenaries is steadily declining and today is 4877 people;

  • 1035 foreign mercenaries were destroyed in the fighting by the Russian armed forces. Another 912 mercenaries refused to participate in hostilities and fled the country.

:ru::ukraine::exclamation: The Kyiv regime, according to radio interception, forbade negotiations on surrender, ordering the Azov Nazis to shoot on the spot anyone who wanted to lay down their arms among Ukrainian military personnel and foreign mercenaries.

In total, according to the Ukrainian servicemen who surrendered, up to 400 foreign mercenaries are now surrounded on the territory of the Azovstal enterprise as part of the Ukrainian group. Most of them are citizens of European countries, as well as Canada.

In case of further resistance, all of them will be destroyed.

:ru::ukraine: The day before, we published a photo showing how neo-Nazis from Azov threw the corpse of their colleague into a trash can. The NM DPR fighters later examined the body and came to the conclusion that the dead Azov militant they found was in fact executed by his colleagues.

Moreover, an examination of the things and other “evidence” that he had with him allows us to conclude that the military man executed by the “Azov” was a foreigner. The special services have already taken control of this case, and consultants with extensive experience in the field of forensic examination and genetic examination are inclined to believe that this is a native of the Middle East - most likely Turkomans.


#130

Since we banned all discussion of property, fired the in-house fact checkers, sent a nice email to the volunteer fact-checkers inboxes and rooted out all the troublesome truth hounds in the user-base with a insidious mass purge, things have never been better.

In fact, it turns out, market research has shown that 80% of people prefer lies over the truth, and readily believe a lie straight off, like totally uncritically they will accept it as gospel and move on about their day.

I know I know, so we thought, shit, why not give this a try, and once we changed editorial policy to promote lies, lies and damned statistics, traffic just went through the feckin’ roof, ad revenue to the moon as well. :chart_with_upwards_trend: :first_quarter_moon_with_face:

Honestly, I’m typing this from the pool at my other Marbella villa that the pivot to lies bought me, and all I had to do was see the light in the dark and everything worked out A-Ok! Then to our amazement, the Government started to subside our efforts, super rates, so good in fact I was able to buy the best prostehtic Elon Musk mask and body suit that it’s actually been me bidding for Twitter and causing all kinds of chaos online and in the markets.

Well, what can I say, life is good, full of twists and turns but it’s a cool 21c here with a bit of cloud, but tomorrow it’s gonna be mid twenties and sunny so lots of time for you know yourself. :wink: :cocktail: :swimming_man: :beach_umbrella: :sun_with_face:


#131

Assuming it’s accurate this is posted for the short translation of Assad at the early portion of the video.

Assad Must Go

Joe tells it like it was.


#132

I’m not so sure, the EU is about a half a step away from being a military alliance, the Kremlin may view it as an actual military alliance, who knows

One thing is for sure, Ursula von der Leyen is now the dumbest German alive, nobody else comes close. (hard luck Angela)


#133

Have you fact checked the author of this article, Jacques Baud?

He came to my prominence last month, he’s a very curious character who’s been getting a lot of attention since the war in Ukraine began.

He seems to write exclusively on matters that concern Russian interests.

Anywhere Russia has had an interest, the article is positive. Where the West is involved, the article is negative.

He wrote about the Darfur conflict, alleging casualties were no more than 2,500. The UN on the otherhand puts casualties at 300,000 with 3 million displaced. Russia are the major backer of the Sudan regime through arms sales, there are talks of a Russian military base being situated there.

He wrote about Syria alleging that the Assad government didn’t use chemical weapons, nor was the government responsible for the loss of life. The OPCW proved Assad did actually use chemical weapons, and various civil rights groups have shown he was responsible for the vast majority of the under-counted 350,000 people who were killed. As we all know, Russia were vital in propping up the disintegrating Assad regime through arms sales and direct intervention. Assad owes Putin, big time.

Regarding an article on Skripal, apparently there’s no record of Russian secret services using poison in covert operations. Those Russian secert service agents in Salisbury were really there to admire their world renowned cathedral. Accordng to Baud, Skripal was actually an unfortunate victim of food poisoning.

On his Navalny article, Navalny’s poisoning had nothing to do with Putin, this act was actually down to the mafia.

That bring us to Ukraine, whose article you’ve posted. There are so many inaccuraries exist in it, I will cover the main point, the reason why Baud asserts Russia supposedly had to strike first.

Baud states the primary reason for Putin to take pre-emptive action in Ukraine was because of a breach in the Minsk protocols. According to Baud, it was Ukrainian escalations in Donbas that forced Putin’s hand. Again, with anything Baud writes, that is demonstrably untrue. According to the UN, the situation was at its most quiet in Donbas since hostilities broke out in 2014 -> https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20(rev%2027%20January%202022)%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

I see that even Eddie “Brendan Investments” Hobbs is regurgitating this rubbish - https://twitter.com/RealEddieHobbs/status/1515222561835077634


#134

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Baud

Google translate.

was at its most quiet in Donbas since hostilities broke out in 2014

Could it have been due to the large build up of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border at the time?

According to that UN report, from August 2021 there was an increase in injured civilians from a low level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

The Russian relations with Syria/The Assad’s go way back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus


#135

Hey it works for MSM :smiley:


#136

No.

Civilian deaths in Donbas according to the UN

2017 - 117
2018 - 58
2019 - 27
2020 - 26
2021 - 25

Donbas was at its most peaceful (if you measure by civilian causalities) since the outbreak of fighting in 2014.

It’s simply absurd to suggest that Ukraine would go on the offensive against Russia.


#137

http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Sinking.html

http://www.hisutton.com/Moskva-Cruiser-Loss-Estimate.html

Analysis of the footage suggests that approximately 240 crew members were present. This is out of a crew of around 510.


#138

Page 2.

Civilian casualties caused by active hostilities, from 27 July 2019 to 31 December 2021, per month

After the ceasefire then from August onward. 2 killed, 7 injured.

Perhaps that is what’s being referred to…

It’s simply absurd to suggest that Ukraine would go on the offensive against Russia.

The 1st casualty of war…

IMO, all sides are lying. The questions is what is the nature of the lies, and to what degree are they lying.


#139

It was still the calmest year in Donbass since hostilities erupted in 2014.

Ukraine were quite clearly not in a position to take military action against Russia. As we’ve seen in the war so far, they were very clearly positioned for defence against Russia.

Prior to the outbreak of war, Europe had no interest in intervening. Every attempt was made to try and defuse the situation to prevent a full-blown shooting match. Putin himself held a 6 hour meeting with Macron few weeks prior to the start of fighting where he joked he was tortured by him - https://www.thelocal.fr/20220208/macron-holds-five-hour-meeting-with-putin-over-ukraine-crisis/

Macron clearly didn’t want war, for him to go to Russia when he should have been at home fighting an election tells you this. Judging by the actions of Germany since the invasion, they clearly didn’t want war either. The luke-warm response from Germany with regard to arming Ukraine (in comparison to former Warsaw pact members) tells you all you need to know about just how uncomfortable they feel about being cast as the protector of the European Union.

Russian aggression today is no different to Colin Powell standing up in front of the UN alleging Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Like Iraq in 2003, Ukraine is barely a country that is managing to exist, let alone fight a war of aggression against a much larger enemy.


#140

I’m not so sure, the EU is about a half a step away from being a military alliance, the Kremlin may view it as an actual military alliance, who knows
One thing is for sure, Ursula von der Leyen is now the dumbest German alive, nobody else comes close. (hard luck Angela)

We’re a rain sozzled island on the periphery of Europe and share an ocean border with the policeman of the world with whom we manage to share an extremely positive relationship. The weather is lousy, but in terms of geopolitical safety, we could not ask for a safer position in the world.

Irish neutrality will only be at risk when the country faces an existential threat. That single biggest threat is that the UK becomes belligerent over Northern Ireland, we’re a long way off from that at this moment.


#141

Explains, why the ‘Putin’s war’ designation used by the western media isn’t quite accurate.


#142

Back in January I wouldn’t have a problem with any of that, its probably close enough to what Coveney or anyone in the Government might say, but its April now and there is a major war in the Ukraine. You need to ask yourself how do the Russians view the actions of NATO and the EU, I mean you might ignore what Ursula is saying and doing on our behalf, but are the Russians ignoring it ?

How do you view the sinking of the Moskva, a stunning victory for the Ukraine. How do they view it in Moscow ?, Putin has no doubt asked his Navy, what the F happened, and they will have told him they were well out of range of any Ukrainian radar tracking, so it was NATO who supplied the targeting data for the missile, how many more times does something like that need to happen before the Russians conclude they are at war with NATO

Getting closer and closer to nuclear war, still waiting for senior European politicians to shout STOP, or even a US politician, they will get nuked too

Have a read of the Guardian these days, the left of the British establishment seem hell bent on war, I hope the right have more sense. but Boris and co are also pushing for war


#143

NATO has been expanding eastward since 1989. It’s already in the Baltics and the plan was to expand as far as the Ukrainian/Russian border. When the Russians went to place missiles in Cuba we all know what happened.

Thats as basic an analysis as you can get. Yet it still seems to be beyond the comprehension of the navel gazers that run western society (and their mouthpieces across mainstream and social media). This suggests therefore that we are in very dangerous territory.

That people can claim that the Russian army was defeated and starving three weeks ago whilst now claiming that their opponents are no more than a motley crew of plucky upstarts, who just happen to be capable of sinking Russian naval vessels, (all with a straight face), again indicates the duplicit nature of those crafting the messaging, as well as the moronic nature of those who believe it.

We all know that most of what emanates from Russian sources is propagandistic. However, that people are still willing to stand over the official narrative as emanating from western sources (the same sources that gave us 2 years of covid hysteria let’s not forget) is worrying in the extreme.

These twits are capable of sleep walking us all into a nuclear conflict.


#144

Some starting to think the lack of updates is permanent for all the wrong reasons.


#145