Secondary Schools: Dublin Northside Vs Southside

#1

Spotted this on schooldays.ie; as I suppose we have to ‘think ahead’

Cant believe the difference between the two…

If you were to judge a school by % of children that go on to University (and I know there are other ways to judge them, but this is the first thing I would look at)…

…then 18 of the Top 20 would be Southside…

As ever…have been looking at the various websites for the various schools and how they get away with this continuos bloody homage to Edmund Ignatius Rice, all over the websites for the inevitably catholic schools…when will our kids be able to go to school without religion being forced down their throats…I cant see a single mixed non-denominational secondary school anywhere between the M50 and East Wall, in Dublin 3, Dublin 15, Dublin 7 or Dublin 9.

TOP 20 IN NORTH DUBLIN
B=Boys G=Girls M=Mixed … Fee-paying schools in bold.
Type 2012
National
Rank 2011
National
Rank % at University

1 Belvedere College, Great Denmark St., Dublin 1 B 18 18 75.1
2 Castleknock College, Castleknock, Dublin 15 B 33 79 69.9
3 Holy Faith Secondary School, Clontarf, Dublin 3 G 49 46 65.0
4 Colaiste Cois Life, Lucan, Co. Dublin M 62 96 61.5
5 St. Dominic’s High School, Sutton, Dublin 13 G 63 89 61.0
6 Sutton Park School, Sutton, Dublin 13 M 70 74 60.2
7 Maryfield College, Drumcondra, Dublin 9 G 108 131 63.4
8 St. Fintan’s High School, Sutton, Dublin 13 B 125 130 50.0
9 Manor House, Raheny, Dublin 5 G 127 121 49.7
10 Scoil Chaitriona, Glasnevin, Dublin 9 M 128 165 49.7
11 Castleknock Community College, Castleknock, Dublin 15 M 141 155 49.0
12 Mount Temple Comprehensive School, Clontarf, Dublin 3 M 145 168 48.8
13 Colaiste Mhuire, Cabra, Dublin 7 M 156 81 47.6
14 Loreto Secondary School, Balbriggan, Co. Dublin G 161 167 47.0
15 St. Joseph’s College, Lucan, Co. Dublin G 163 160 46.9
16 Malahide Community School, Malahide, Co. Dublin M 169 157 46.0
17 Dominican College, Drumcondra, Dublin 9 G 171 163 46.0
18 Ardscoil Ris, Griffith Ave, Dublin 9 B 197 216 44.1
19 St. Aidan’s CBS, Whitehall, Dublin 9 B 226 246 41.4
20 Loreto College, Swords, Co. Dublin G 233 237 40.8

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TOP 20 IN SOUTH DUBLIN
B=Boys G=Girls M=Mixed … Fee-paying schools in bold.
Type 2012
National
Rank 2011
National
Rank % at University

1 Gonzaga College, Ranelagh, Dublin 6 B 2 1 92.9
2 Colaiste Iosagain, Booterstown, Co. Dublin G 3 4 89.8
3 Holy Child Secondary School, Killiney, Co. Dublin G 4 9 89.1
4 Loreto College, St. Stephen’s Green, Dublin 2 G 5 8 87.7
5 Rathdown School, Glenageary, Co. Dublin G 6 16 83.5
6 The Teresian School, Donnybrook, Dublin 4 G 7 3 83.2
7 Mount Anville Secondary School, Goatstown, Dublin 14 G 8 7 82.8
8 Alexandra College, Milltown, Dublin 6 G 9 12 82.3
9 Colaiste Eoin, Booterstown, Co. Dublin B 16 10 76.6
10 St. Andrew’s College, Blackrock, Co. Dublin M 20 19 73.3
11 Loreto High School, Rathfarnham, Dublin 14 G 21 17 73.2
12 St. Conleth’s College, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4 M 24 43 71.9
13 Muckross Park College, Donnybrook, Dublin 4 G 27 20 71.3
14 John Scottus Secondary School, Donnybrook, Dublin 4 M 28 77 70.9
15 Blackrock College, Blackrock, Co. Dublin B 32 30 70.2
16 Mount Sackville Secondary, Chapelizod, Dublin 20 G 36 34 69.3
17 The King’s Hospital, Palmerstown, Dublin 20 M 37 25 69.2
18 Wesley College, Ballinteer, Dublin 16 M 38 49 68.7
19 St. Joseph of Cluny, Killiney, Co. Dublin G 40 21 67.6
20 St. Columba’s College, Whitechurch, Dublin 16 M 47 75 65.1

#2

But of course free third-level education made university more accessible to all. :unamused:

#3

On qualification to this I guess is that there is a much bigger number of schools on the Southside; still though…

#4

Er…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for “after this, therefore because of this,” is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states, “Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one.”

#5

I’m not sure if you are making a point there or not…

…but I think the answer to your question is…

I would be guessing that the population split is 60% southside, 40% northside.

The schools split in the Top 20 is 90% southside, 10% northside…

So translate that into latin, and see what you come up with.

#6

How is Lucan northside but Kings Hospital southside?

#7

Probably because KH is on the southside and the Lucan school is on the Northside?

#8

What a surprise! The best performing schools on the Northside are in middle-class areas - where property is much more expensive (apart from Belvedere, that is.) Three of the top ten within a mile of each other in Sutton alone! Wonder what the sociolgists and the class warriors (Kieran Allen, Fr Sean Healy, et al) would make of it all? Probably already trying to figure out some way of taxing the parents of all these succesful students so they can be dragged down to the level of, “de most vulernable in society.”

#9

Because Kings Hospital field a rugby team.
:-GC

#10

This is North of the river.

#11

Very interesting thread YB. Could you post a link to the original source for the stats? Surprised not to see Portmarnock Community School on the northside list. Would also be keen to see figures for other counties, just out of curiosity.

Seems fee-paying schools fare better (for lots of reasons) and most of those are south of the river. That’s one of the downsides of setting up camp on the southside: unless you’re in a position to pay school fees, the benefits are negligible if you compare with middle-class corners of the north side.

#12

Must be a postcode thing then.

#13

I’d also check the relative size of the schools. In the 1980s I think Gonzaga had fewer than 80 kids per year and was very selective on academic ability. Given a limited number of places at third level, it’s easier to get 90% of 80 there than 90% of 150.

#14

Dublin 20 includes both Palmerstown and Chapelizod. Palmerstown is on the south side and Chapeliszod straddles the Liffey. Kings Hospital school is located on the south bank of the Liffey. Mount Sackville school is located in Chapelizod on the North side of the liffey. I believe the Strawberry Beds are also in ‘Dublin 20’ but they are on the north bank of the Liffey across from Palmerstown and near Castleknock.

Don’t know about the Lucan school but Lucan also straddles the Liffey and its postcode is ‘Co. Dublin’. Lucan is huge though these days and has sprawled quite a bit.

Here endeth the lesson on west Dublin suburbs for those whose knowledge of the city only extends to SCD or Dublin 6 or 4 which seems to include a large number of pinsters.

#15

Kings Hospital is in Palmerstown, not Lucan.

#16

Not quite sure what the point of the lesson actually was but it would appear that the divide is based on postcodes and the assumption by the person compiling the list that the evens are South of the liffey and the odds are North.

And an eeny meeny for Lucan…

#17

No point really other than clarification. It seems people get quite hung up on whether the school, or a particular area or postcode is north or south of the liffey. Not sure why it matters but it does seem to matter quite a lot to some.

#18

Thanks BG.

Seems a bit incomplete. For example, how could Portmarnock CS go from 69% in 2005 to not featuring in the top 20 northside schools this year (implying a feeder rate of less than 40%?

How can the 2005 numbers show Leixlip CS with 63.5% but they don’t show up in the Leinster list in this latest survey at all (implying a rate below 50%)? How could the same 2005 list put Salesian College in Celbridge at 67% while it’s absent in the new Sunday Times version?

Is it just a question of their definitions of ‘third level’?*

#19

There’s also this other study from 2009 that gives quite different results (list is at the end of the article):

irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0806/1224252080487.html

#20

Any chance you could copy and paste as I dont have a subscription.