Sellers ignoring the new BER requirement.


#233

Good on you for pushing it. I guess the next step would be to continue to complain and then tell the EC that nothing has changed?


#234

It’s impossible to buy a property without a BER.
You can bid and go sale agreed without one, but not buy.
And yes, I know you need one legally to put it on the market, but you also legally require a TV licence.

I’ve bought a few that were late in getting a cert.
But in every case, you know that the rating is going to be bad, so it doesn’t really make much of a difference.

Simple rule, if a BER is going to be good, the seller would have invested money to make it so and consequently will view the BER as a selling point. They will have a BER done immediately.
If they’re slow to get it then just assume an E1 or worse.
The chances are, the property will be in need of obvious work, thereby deeming the initial vendors BER effectively irrelevant.


#235

When I was buying I used the BER as a rough proxy for “has this house been recently renovated”. BER C or better, then yes.


#236

pass the (shit) parcel


#237

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 4 2016

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … rter42016/

96% of dwellings built since 2010 are “A” or “B” rated


#238

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 3 2017

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … rter32017/

94% of dwellings built during 2015-2017 were “A” rated


#239

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 4 2017

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … rter42017/

95% of dwellings built during 2015-2017 were “A” rated


#240

They basically don’t give planning unless it’s a rated I think.

Living in an A rated house is amazing. Very much recommend.


#241

Does anyone know where we are with this? As far as I can see most houses for sale or rent on daft.ie and myhome.ie do not list the BER. There seems to be zero enforcement. Who do you report breaches to - your local council or a state agency?


#242

Ok, I read through the history of this thread:

  • Daft and MyHome have informed EAs multiple times that they must insert a BER in their ads.

Both replied to me a the time with MyHome taking a more active lead. They even let you filter by BER

  • Current compliance on MyHome:
    19,291 for sale
    12,070 with a BER + 944 claiming Exempt = 13,014
    =67% have some BER inserted.

Of course, there is no way to guarantee this is the actual BER certified and not just any old one put in to get your ad up.

-SEAI say enforcement is not in their remit and you must contact local council. Most councils do not have the resources nor see this as a high enough priority to enforce, despite it being the law.

-EAs will have copped this by now and zero incentive to fill it in.

-Yes, you cannot legally purchase a house without a BER being done, but it remains caveat emptor: The BER you are told, if told at all, may not be the reality. And by the time you get to closing, only a major swing in expected BER vs actual would likely cause you to pull out of a sale


#243

Is it possible that the properties being advertised without BER aren’t actually for sale?

Off the top of my head, BER is the only thing you have to pay for before putting an ad up.


#244

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 2 2018

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublic … rter22018/

96% of new builds 2015-2018 A rated, 4% B rated


#245

There has been a sharp, abrupt shift in the BER quality of new build. See graphic.

Ten years ago the majority of new builds were C rated or below. Now they are almost all A-rated.

I am not a QS, but this presumably has an impact on the cost of construction (both materials and design).

It would be great to see a rough estimate of what this does to the viability of construction.

It might go some way toward explaining why there is much less activity these days than you would expect.


#246

Does that data come from design spec BER or actual BER surveys? I can spec a BER in the design to achieve ‘A’ but will it in fact be ‘A’ rated when built?


#247

I understand your scepticism but why do you think it would be any different? the BER assessor isn’t checking the airtightness;

Simlarly Air Source pumps sound great in theory but it seems too often badly specc’d and installed leading to woeful performance


#248

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 3 2018

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublic … rter32018/

96% of Dwellings built in 2015-2018 were given an “A” rating


#249

I’d be interested to see actually air Tightness and performance testing of said A rated new builds


#250

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 4 2018

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublic … rter42018/

97% of Dwellings built in 2015-2018 were given an “A” rating


#251

All new builds to be tested for air tightness from April, apparently.


#252

Domestic Building Energy Ratings
Quarter 1 2019

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/dber/domesticbuildingenergyratingsquarter12019/

97% of Dwellings built in 2015-2018 were given an “A” rating