The Emigration Thread (2006) … -1.2263338

About time this is being properly pointed out

Something that strikes me and i haven’t read the report. 15-24 is such a ridiculous range clearly all the 15 year olds are not emigrating so I’m guessing if they do come up as a statistics it’s as part of a family. Is it impossible not to make a informed decision and stop the range at least 17 and then proceed 18-24.

Perhaps they’re counting bunking off in with emigrating for statistical purposes.


Is such economic activity now also measured as part of GDP/GNP?

Granted it does seem that the Irish education system is a net contributor to the emigration issue and those slots and pool tables are not going to play themselves you know!

What I found interesting in that is that a full third of the net emigrants, 40,000 people, were 25+ - or precisely the sort of experienced skilled workers Ireland cannot affford to lose.

Wasn’t their another survey that showed about 70% of emigrants had a job in Ireland when they quit?

The long-term fiscal and demographic implications of this current round of emigration could be more severe than people realise.

Ive heard many relatively high earners have started to move to EU/Middle East/Asia etc due to high tax burden in Ireland. When I crunch the numbers between tax and living costs In Dublin Dublin comes out pretty badly compared to almost everywhere except for the big financial centers like London or New York. I and many other emigrants ain’t got any interest in moving to London either!
Secondly Dublin is where most of the jobs are in Ireland but it comes
With a lot of hassle for that. I think a lot of people would consider moving back to other parts of Ireland but what would one do if not a sheep herder or dairy farmer :slight_smile:.

This was an asymetric depression from Ireland’s Banking Collapse. Has anyone copyrighted the term “asymetric depression” yet?The interests of the vested interests\gombeens\insiders were protected while those who make a living through their sweat and labour were loaded with the costs of sustaining the parasitic classes and the bank debts. No wonder emigration is a sensible option.

Frankly, I look at some of the discussions regarding the prices of flips on here and “value” at a price which is many many multiples of the professional man or woman’s wage and I think “are ye having a giraffe”.

Cork or Galway, that being where most of the jobs are, probably even more than Dublin. :wink:

It depends what field you work in (and no I don’t mean a choice between a dairy or arable field :laughing: ). Many of the jobs in Ireland for somebody with a background in a chemical/materials engineering or chemistry are in the medical device or pharma industries, with a big cluster in Cork and smaller ones in Galway, Dublin and Limerick/Shannon, plus Intel and HP in east Leinster. Employment is also disturbingly dependent on FDI.

The single biggest argument against (inner) London, even more than the expense, crowds and general hassle is the fact that it is a complete private sector employment wasteland. Apart from maybe a few micro scale start ups, mostly associated with academia, I would have only three or four sizeable employers in inner London and they’re all universities (UCL, Imperial and Queen Mary; King’s is OK for biomedical research, but that’s about it and there’s a bit of engineering in South Bank). Unless I want to be a lecturer or an eternal postdoc, anything inside at least Zone 4 is a wilderness. I’d do almost as well with the sheep and cows. :open_mouth:

And yet the Nevin institute and Fr. Sean Healy and his “poverty-industry” comrades are constantly calling for no tax cuts in the budget but yet more spending on Welfare and “the homeless.” Let’s hope Noonan ignores them and makes it more worthwhile to work for a living here.

You are overlooking the many jobs available in financial services and IT which are concentrated in Dublin in terms of Ireland and heavily available in London. In fact so many roles come available each year that there is a constant inward immigration to fill these roles. For IT roles in the UK where skillset deficiencies exist these roles are filled largely from the subcontinent. In Ireland the latest trend I see is for many IT people rocking up here on spec from South America (we have already hired many of the Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and Polish IT people who wanted to come here and who had reasonable English). Also IT people from the subcontinent are coming here in steady numbers but often these come in initially via onshore outsourcing roles with the likes of IBM, Accenture etc.

and maybe you were overlooking this statement. :wink:

Perhaps I should have clarified that I meant genuinely relevant (and to me interesting and fulfilling) jobs where I can use my knowledge and skills. Maybe I could work in finance in London, but then I could also work in fast food in Mullingar and probably find it equally worthwhile. Of course, the fact that I’d probably radiate that I was bored stiff in the interview might preclude me from ever getting that job at JP Morgan. :laughing:

Don’t worry, it was just a personal observation that for many people, the fashionable draw to all the so-called happening places just isn’t that relevant, because for them, there actually isn’t that much happening there. :smiley:
I (British) actually know relatively few people working in London, because the jobs for the people I know just aren’t there. I did work there for a while, but that was as a postdoc.

Incidentally, when interviewing others for jobs in industrial R&D, I’ve also had a high proportion of candidates from abroad (mostly EU, but also farther afield). Particularly when you’re looking for people with a PhD and relevant experience, the total pool of available Irish, or even Irish resident candidates can be tiny. I mean barely into double figures at best and once you can discount people who are already happily employed and don’t want to move (and hence don’t even apply), it’s easy to end up with a large majority of foreign candidates. By then the London/Dublin/Not London/Not Dublin location question doesn’t really come into it, except insofar as London (inner London at least) just doesn’t have much of a manufacturing sector and there’s a vanishingly small probability that I’d be working at a company that was hiring there in the first place. … -1.2308654

once again I must state overseas visitors != tourists but neither Paschal Donohue or Bord Fáilte want the public to know this.

Population and Migration Estimates
April 2015 … april2015/

Net outward migration falls to 11,600 in 2015

Emigration clear through QNHS Q2 2015 … rter22015/ (15-34)

And there was me thinking all those still leaving Ireland were doing so for ‘lifestyle reasons’, or so the Politicians and Media heads tell us

One in six Irish-born people now live abroad
Ireland has highest share in OECD of over-15s born here but living overseas … -1.2354097

The Irish Times article is not particularly informative. No Irish journalist really understands demographics except Dan O’Brien. We will always have a high share of Irish-born people living abroad as we have high gross migration of people who tend not to stay forever. People generally migrate just before or during their child-bearing years. You’ll find quite a few rural primary schools in Poland with Irish-born children.

The key finding from the recent population and migration statistics release was:
-Ireland is particularly attractive for the ‘RoW’ category. Net inward migration has been positive for three years now. The Irish labour market is kind to a mixture of the low-skilled happy to do menial work (hotel and nursing home work in the provinces) as well as high-skilled (IT I guess). For the low-skilled the low tax rate is undoubtedly appealing.
-Net outward migration of Irish is still very high. A large share of young people are leaving once they are a year or two out of college. This has always been the case but the rate increased during the downturn and hasn’t fallen much. And the ones who have gone aren’t coming home like they did in the mid-70s and late-90s when the economy picked up.

For a couple on professional wages average tax rates in Ireland are a lot less pleasant than elsewhere. Rising cost of rent - particularly in Dublin - probably also plays a part.

My kids will have been counted as Irish-born, even though they were born in France. They’ve never lived in Ireland.

How is that?

A child is automatically an Irish citizen if one of it’s parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland.

A person can become an Irish citizen if one of their grandparents was born in Ireland, or they can become an Irish citizen if one of their parents was an Irish citizen at the time of their birth, but was not born in Ireland. If eligible, the birth can be registered on the Foreign Births Register.