The Emigration Thread.


QNHS Q4 2016 stats are out … rter42016/


Two teachers earning €36k-€39k in mid twenties go forced to the UAE


…and they both keep their secure pensionable jobs in the meantime. The horror!


I can’t open the link but I’m assuming there’s nothing beyond the above description contained in the article…and if so, in a nutshell that’s basically why globalisation is a scam designed to benefit the few via the creation of a new form of feudalism which looks like it will be based on ownership of urban property rather than rural farmholdings.

While this couple are out in The Gulf, the property that they should ordinarily be renting in Dublin will instead be occupied by a group of foreign students working in a service industry whose main custom is provided by members of the same landed gentry class that owns the rental property.

Globalisation and the mass movement of cheap labour into developed urban areas the world over is ensuring that previous limiting aspects of market theory such as availability of labour no longer apply. Effectively, the notion that there was an ‘ecological’ element to such theory in so far as markets were believed to expand and contract as if they were living entities is no longer arguable. There is a mass of people out there who, despite the fact that they are currently physically located in Bangladesh or Nepal, are potential actors when it comes to the Dublin housing market…and of course to question whether any of this is wise in terms of its future impact in societal terms, is to risk being labelled racist etc.

Almost 40 years ago now Thatcher espoused the idea that there was no such thing as ‘society’, just many individual economic actors. It’s ironic that it looks like it will be liberal/leftist concepts of diversity and multiculturalism that will ultimately be the banners under which her vision is finally realised.


The above article


There is a selective issue with maths and science teachers who have far better earning prospects than in teaching, particularly in urban areas.

For every one of them there are 50 other teachers with arts degrees on >60k with Tipperary housing costs though.

Teacher unions (who planted this article) will not countenance any differentiation of pay by location or qualification though.


Regardless of whether the article was ‘planted’, the facts are that a couple, both earning teachers salaries are not in a position to buy a 2 or 3 bed semi d in Dublin…when those salaries are combined.

A similar married teacher with kids could have afforded to do exactly that on one salary in Dublin 30 years ago.

As I suggested in my previous post on this thread, there are particular reasons for this fact, which is ultimately a choice on the part of wider Irish society (or at least that section of it that gets to have input into such decisions)…and not an act of God or indeed a consequence of some form of evolutionary ebb and flow as some would have us believe.


They can readily buy a 2 or 3 bed apartment and there are three bed semis in d15, Lucan, swords etc which would be within reach based on one earning 36k and one earning 39k. Dublin is a vastly different city to what it was when a single teachers salary could buy a three bed semi. For one thing it has at least double the population.

They can also expect a salary increase of at least €1000 a year before any inflation adjustments for at least five years.

They’re mid twenties. If they save for three years @15k a year (not a particularly challenging target), they’ll have a joint salary of at least €82k (it’ll be a little higher but I’m not going to work out exactly where they are increment wise). So €330k or thereabouts.

In general they look like the sort of homes I’d expect two teachers to occupy. … _type%5D=d

They may want to speed things up or get a ether place by going to the UAE but saying they absolutely have to is stretching the truth.


I’m curious as to the jobs available for science/maths teachers that would offer better prospects.


I think the argument is that with a degree in chemistry or mechanical engineering, you needn’t drift into teaching in the first place. You’re not going to become a design engineer at Airbus with a sociology degree. Whether those jobs are available in Ireland is another matter, since the job market here for such people is a bit shallow.


Good question.

Wage data in Ireland is only available by sector, not by occupation or level of degree.

Here is US dataon earnings by degree. I would not expect Ireland to be identical, but the relativities would not be too difficult.

So, median earnings after 5-10 years for someone with the following bachelor’s degree:

Maths $72k
Chemistry $62k
English $54k
French $55k


A question for the knowledgable Pin and Pinsters therin…

Oppurtunity has come up for me to relocate with a new company for 2 years. This will be a very senior post within my industry with a Global Player and presents superb future prospects for ME, Mrs CHef and all the little Chefs - 2 ( 17 and 3 ) with one on the way for Christmas. 8DD

Package is superb, approx double my current and I am paid very well at the moment.

Issue is location…South Africa, Jo Burg. I have no experience of South Africa at all bar working with a few from there over the years . We have done volitile environments before, Middle Eas 8DD for 4 Years , but that was a long time ago and before children.

I am going on a Fam trip in 2 weeks over a weekend to have a look.

Any insights or opinions on living there?

Thanks All.


Just do it.


IMO Your overriding concern needs to be what is good for the kids. If the 17 year old is in LC year, I would postpone this until they are finished and know what they are doing. I spent some time in SA and would not recommend it. South Africans are trying to leave the place in droves because of the endemic violence. There is a reason why you are being offered double your salary!



I would consider cape town for sure as I used to visit for work quite often. Stunning place, great outdoors lifestyle and nice people in general. I’d bring the family too but still be concerned somewhat.

Johannesburg is a lot tougher question, I probably wouldnt bring family there. Even for myself I’d be worried about crime, I never visited it but I heard enough about it.


Lived in Johannesburg for four years and it’s an amazing spot where you and your kids would have a great time. Life with young kids is very easy relative to a lot of spots (qualified, medically trained night nurse for €20 per night etc).

Ignoring the materialistic elements; weather, big house, cheap help, of the charts food etc…My wife and I often talk about how we think it’s an amazing place to raise kids away from the commercial BS we see in Ireland, UK and USA. There is far more focus on family, nature and sport in our opinion.

The key thing you need to manage is FX as the currency is volatile and capital controls are over played. Safety is overplayed and manageable.

Great GAA team there to get involved in and a very fun vibe.

Have PM’d you.

Good luck with the decision.


The former emigrants thread?
“Boston’s Irish community is on high alert after ICE agents detained a local leader for deportation, sparking fears that thousands of other illegal immigrants living and working here for years could be next.” - Boston Herald.


RTÉ regularly report that there are 50,000 Irish living illegally in the US.

The embassy in Washington confirmed that they have provided consular assistance to a mere seven of these for immigration offences since January of this year.

So either:

-There are much fewer illegal Irish in the US than the media suggests
-Their chances of running into trouble for their immigration status is very low

Or quite probably both.


Perhaps the wrong question was asked? RTE (I presume) asked the Washington office how many undocumented Irish they helped. The “office” helped seven since Washington is not a big destination for the undocumented Irish. RTE should then have asked incredulously, “You just helped seven in America?!”

But you are right, their chances of running into trouble due to their status is probably low.

I have been told Boston routinely deals with detained Irish, and my guess is New York would also be busy.