The Great Global Warming Debate


#2559

I remember biofuels being blamed, but that never took off. Convenient to blame?


#2560

#2561

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/22/eu-farm-animals-produce-more-emissions-than-cars-and-vans-combined-greenpeace

Cows, pigs and other farm livestock in Europe are producing more greenhouse gases every year than all of the bloc’s cars and vans put together, when the impact of their feed is taken into account


#2562

@Open_Window- This is a thread I have never once looked in 12 years.

But now I fear the Greens because I don’t see them as quirky bike riders or useful mudguards for FF FG. They’re Eco Totalitarians - all of what they want to achieve requires totalitarian control over society. They are the Workers Party of the current day. And in a coalition they will sign up for any non environmental policy in order to get further totalitarian control as a quid pro quo.

As I regard them as every bit as dangerous as the Stickies I must think of concrete ways to lessen their influence.


#2563

https://www.aims.gov.au/reef-monitoring/gbr-condition-summary-2020-2021


#2564

So the head :ghost: over at RTE has apologised for not reporting last week decent weather as a terrible climate change crisis event, as covered here, Examples of lies, deceptions, misdirections and unchecked propaganda in the daily MSM matrix

Back on the twitter machine, the 76’ers are rubbing it in.

Video Posted here: https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1419772143357898756

The Greens can only dream of such optics, though I almost think it might finish them off, 3 months of good weather! Oh the humanity of it all!!!

More here on that 1976 heatwave:


#2565

Most of the “climate change/global warming” debates are in my opinion the biggest attempt at “look, a seagull!” distraction ever. Get everyone discussing things that they are unable to change while diverting away from the root causes of many of the environmental issues today.

Namely, globalisation exporting pollution from rich countries to poor ones, implementing policies that encourage the destruction of natural habitat encouraging the wasteful practice of transporting goods halfway round the world that could easily be made down the road.

Encouraging migration from the fertile breeding grounds instead of educating birth control and so on.

Globalisation is the elephant in the room, climate change is the diversionary flag.


#2566

Solar cycles (and a moon wobble!) and possibly some geo-engineering are mostly responsible for the recent extreme weather events and volcanic and seismic activity around the world. But of course it’ll be used an an excuse to implement some extreme “carbon reduction” policies including “climate lockdowns” etc.:face_with_raised_eyebrow:


#2567

Blaming Moon wobble & Solar Cycle is tinfoil hat stuff.

Extreme Carbon Reduction is desperately needed.


#2568

Globalisation is not the problem, Consumerism is the problem.

Whether stuff is made in Ireland or China does not matter, we need to close the resource loop.

Climate change is the consequence of consumerism that is driving resource depletion and pollution.


#2569

That’s a lot of dead bodies right there.


#2570

It is in it’s bollix. :icon_beer: You’ve been had mate, big time.


#2571

Are you one of the Maynooth ‘experts’ by any chance?


#2572

And saying that a 0.0001% reduction in a second order trace gas (system effect < 0.1%) will fundamentally change the world climate is not profoundly stupid?

I suppose you also believe that 5 or 10 molecules of some magic substance will cure diseases. Like they do in homeopathy.

There has been no climate equilibrium for the last 4.3 billion years or so. Since the earth had a stable atmosphere. Although most of the Mesozoic came close. 30,000 years ago Dublin was under a mile of ice. 5,000 years ago Dublin had a climate like the south of France. 300 years ago the climate of Dublin was pretty much like Bergen. And in a few thousand years it will be under a mile of ice again.

Even if humanoids had continued banging rocks together in caves for the last 30,000 years that pattern of the current glacial / inter-glacial would have continued its inexorable path. Changes in the continental configurations and massive volcanoes eruptions change the climate. Only the ignorant, credulous or deranged believe that minuscule amounts of a trace gas can “change” the climate fundamentally in short time frame. Its about as scientific as homeopathy or astrology in that no causality mechanism can be shown, all predictions are wrong, and there can never be any independent experimental proof or verification.

This is how scientific “climate science” is. Their standard model for calculating the average surface temp of the atmosphere assumes a physical model where the equilibrium temp of the gas interface with solid / liquid layer surface is only dependent on the instantaneous radiant heat from the surface layer. The actual temp of the surface layer is irrelevant. So they ignore largest part of the heat transfer mechanism over time. Conduction. If you are calculating very short term changes in local temp in a gas, that assumption is reasonable. For weather forecasting. But for system equilibrium temps and long term changes those equations are meaningless.

So when you create a actual full system model and plug in the temps of the earth surface, 281K continental crust, 284K oceanic crust, the “Greenhouse Effect” constant value of around 33K becomes something around 4K. And every single one of the “climate science” models collapse into pure noise.

Not the first time this has happen either. All political motivated science is junk. You should have seen the knots the Marxists Economists tied themselves into during the heyday of the Soviet Command Economy. Caused a virtual collapse of grain crop production in the 1970’s.


#2573

Globalisation is the parent of consumerism! Globalisation is the driver behind the consumerist industrial transfer of resources from quarry to landfill as fast as possible, you cannot separate the two.

People (consumers) have been brainwashed into buying stuff that’s been made on the other side of the planet cheaper than local for decades now. No one cares about the environment when it comes to opening their wallets.

Globalists have exploited that for decades by getting factories built where there are few Health & safety regulations, local governments willing to turn a blind eye to the destruction of their local environments just to see some money come in. Sure the industrial heartlands of northern Europe are now far cleaner, that’s because the factories have gone rather than cleaned up!

With many billions spent on advertising and some of the richest business on the planet being direct beneficiaries of consumerism, nothing is going the change soon.

People will continue to be blamed for their choices without addressing the underlying root cause.

Solutions include:-

Demanding products that can be repaired, with reasonable priced and available spare parts.

Products that last far longer than the present stuff that is churned out, 25 years for a car or washing machine should be expected.

Products should be available that are not overcomplicated, many of the current cars on the market have so much complexity that they are far more likely to be scrapped due to the dashboard screen failing than anything else, or some electronic module that requires a specialist car electrician to diagnose. Something that few people will bother doing on a 12+ year old car that’s in otherwise perfect working condition.

Diversity in production is vital as well, to reduce the reliance on only one plant to make a critical component or source material in the manufacturing process. We have reached the situation where one fire on one Chinese factory could disrupt the global supply chain, as no other factory on the planet makes this material.

Globalisation also enables the exploitation of the remaining areas of the planet by enticing locals to destroy their forests etc for beef farming and other industrial processes just to make the meat a few cents cheaper in the supermarkets, thus encouraging extra consumption.

People (Consumers) need to be (re)educated into thinking about the environmental impact of their purchases. Something that in reality will not happen when so much is spent on advertising that encouraging the opposite.


#2574

https://earth.gsfc.nasa.gov/cryo/data/current-state-sea-ice-cover

Antarctic ice at high levels


#2575

#2576

https://scitechdaily.com/earths-interior-is-swallowing-up-more-carbon-than-thought-locking-it-away-at-depth/


#2577

Is there any reason why temperature, independent of humidity, is used for measuring something posed as civilisation ending?

To measure the energy in the atmosphere you need to take humidity with temperature. You get different temperatures for the same energy at different humidity levels.

So max temperature records are a bit silly without it


#2578

Sea ice levels at this time of the year are very difficult to trend well as we’re in the summer rapid melt phase. For environmentalists, the important figure is the maximum spring level usually the last week of March that is used to shout “global warming”, or for alarmist the Autumn end of melt in late September “ICE FREE ARCTIC” if this figure ever gets to zero. The end of winter figure this year is near the minimum levels recorded since the late 1970s.