The Great Global Warming Debate


#2205

Yea it’s all gone full propaganda lately bordering on hysteria and brainwashed.

This is an insight, very valuable… scientist fired for raising issues , wins unfair dismissal case later. He called bs on the claims that the coral reef was doomed from bleaching etc shows that science can’t be trusted and he states exactly that


#2206

Ps200306 this is worth a read or at least a browse

   https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/52041/1/52041-mclean-2017-thesis.pdf 


#2207

Thanks Blindjustice. Another 300 pages! :crazy_face:

Look interesting though … I read the summary and I’m hooked. I hope he was awarded his PhD before his supervisor got fired!


#2208

It’s definitely worth the read even if you pick and choose chapters. All I can say is I’m glad we have satellite data. Basically can’t model on data prior to that in my opinion. Just not reliable, nor dense enough sampling. So then the question is about if data from the satellite era alone is long enough to get an average global temperature nevermind plotting an anomalous trend.

Im not saying that climate research is useless and we’re wasting our time. Quite the contrary. It’s something we need to understand. We need more powerful computers and better climate models. More research to model what we input as parameters into the models etc etc.

The politicised hysteria, brainwashing and propaganda has to stop. We also need better checking of research. How many times have you seen the news report a cure for a cancer or that it was near ready?

Researchers live from grant to grant and will write up proposals for whatever topic is hot at the time. They have to or they won’t have a job.

My reasoning for more climate research is quite the opposite to the average person afraid of warming… climate has oscillated abruptly, prior to human interference, from climates similar to today to ice ages over decades and less.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/abrupt-climate-change-during-the-last-ice-24288097/

Going from todays climate to having a kilometer or more of ice above North America, Russia and Europe is simply not something we can deal with. At all.

Warming is. Simples. It’s why we shouldnt care about warming, in fact we should embrace it. We should prepare for warming.

In terms of emissions and renewables there are millions of deaths in Asia from pollution. Millions of reasons to cut back. But they dont. Will they do it for climate change ?


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#2212

and will be dismissed on twitter and elsewhere as ‘mansplaining’


#2213

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0


#2214

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03679-x

So far it produces more co2 that it consumes but is it over the top to be afraid of that going wrong wiping out life as we know it? Afterall it’s bacteria and if they use something that spreads quickly …


#2215

Even though this video is nearly 7 years old, it’s still a good video on long term climate change.

Well worth the 55 minutes it’ll take to watch.


#2216

What could possibly go wrong with seeding the world with dangerous gut bacteria that can eat the atmosphere? :icon_lol:

Although it seems they can’t live on atmospheric CO2 concentrations, which seems a bit pointless – we’d have to extract it ourselves first before feeding them. And with one fission per 18 hours vs. 20 minutes, there’d be a million trillion ( ~2⁵⁴ ) of the shit-eating branch of the family before these guys got around to dropping their first sprog.

Sometimes you wonder if it’s the scientists that don’t understand basic chemistry, or the journalists who don’t know how to ask the right questions. There’s a reason why the world hasn’t been overrun by bacteria that eat CO2, or iron or sulphur or rocks, or that live on salt grains or ice floes or volcanic vents, even though all of those things exist. Some chemical pathways are just not energetic enough to power vigorous life processes.

Evolution’s Greatest Hits of the year Minus Two Billion included something that managed to harness pure sunlight and something that ate the things that harnessed sunlight. Our own 2 billion year old ancestor knew a good thing when it saw it, and captured these early heterotrophs as mitochondrial slaves. Hordes of them make our cells a hundred thousand times more energetic than the bacteria.


#2217

Glad to see little old Ireland is playing its part in climate change by sending twenty people to COP25 in Madrid. Though that’s a mere drop in the ocean compared to the twenty-seven thousand participants registered. That’s one or two hundred plane loads each way, and perhaps 100 million passenger miles. What a blessing that the meeting was moved at short notice from Chile, which must have saved oodles of passenger miles. The move was because of riots sparked by increases in transport fares, partly due to a decision to buy a fleet of electric buses.

UNITED NATIONS FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE
Conference of the Parties
Twenty-fifth session
Madrid, 2–13 December 2019
Provisional list of registered participants

Ireland

H.E. Mr. Richard Bruton
Minister for Communications, Climate Action and the Environment

Mr. Brian Timothy Carroll
Assistant Secretary Climate Action and Environment

Ms. Emer Griffin
Deputy Director - Climate Policy
Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment

Ms. Mary Caffrey
Administrative Officer International Climate Policy
Climate Policy International
Department of Communications Climate Action and Environment

Mr. Patrick Cluskey
Special Advisor
Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment

Mr. Martin Timothy Collins
Legal Adviser
Legal Unit
Department of Communications Climate Action and Environment

Ms. Lucy Corcoran
Programme Executive
Research and Innovation
Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland

Mr. Mounir El Yemlahi El Guaissi
Driver
Embassy Madrid

Mr. Rory Geraghty
Conserjero, Embassy of Ireland to Spain
Embassy of Ireland to Spain

Ms. Olga Grant
Assistant Principal - Climate Adaptation
Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment

Mr. Keith Lambkin
Senior Climatologist
Met Éireann - Department of Houseing, Planning and Local Government

Ms. Síle Maguire
Ambassador of Ireland to Spain
Embassy of Ireland in Spain

Mr. Frank McGovern
Environmental Protection Agency

Ms. Niamh McGuire
Assistant Principal - International Finance Unit
Department of Finance

Ms. Maeve McLynn
Policy Officer
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

Mr. John Muldowney
Agricultural Inspector
Climate Change and Bioenergy
Department of Agriculture, Forestry and the Marine

Mr. Sean Arthur O’Leary
Scientific Officer
Environmental Protection Agency

Mr. Des O’Leary
Principle Officer - International Finance Institutions
Department of Finance

Ms. Michaela Sullivan
Private Secretary
Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment

Mr. Séamus Walsh
Senior Meteorologist
Met Éireann - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government


#2218

It’s ok they just coined the phrase ‘plane pooling’

Like car pooling but with more co2


#2219

These be the folk who think you need to pay more tax in order to combat the fact that you eat too much steak…whilst at the same time outsourcing beef production to outfits whose modus operandi consists of clearing large parts of the Amazon basin with a view to grazing cattle. Cos theyre worried about Co2 emissions. A great bunch of lads.


#2220

Her tweet follows an interview on Radio 1 in which she said she would be flying to the conference, explaining that, in the image of car-pooling, “plane-pooling” aims to cushion a plane ride’s carbon footprint by putting as many people as possible and “preventing the plane leaves with empty seats.”

A jet airliner can use about as much fuel as if each passenger drove to their destination in their own single-occupancy car. Sounds like they need an environment minister who can do sums.


#2221

Conservation group WWF and the Prado Museum have joined forces to raise the alarm about the impact of climate change, as political leaders and diplomats meet at the COP25 climate change summit in the Spanish capital, Madrid.

Together they selected four masterpieces from the Prado collection to highlight the environmental consequences of various phenomena attributed to climate change.

Felipe IV a Caballo (Philip IV on Horseback) by Diego Velázquez…


#2222

Tipping points were once thought to be triggered only when global warming was above 9 degrees F (5 degrees C). But IPCC reports in the past year warn that they can happen between 1.8 degree F (1 degree C) and 3.6 degrees F (2 degrees C). Every fractional rise in temperature increases the risk of triggering one of 30 major tipping points. With just 1 degree C of current warming, nine of these are now thought to be beginning to tip.

Even if countries act on their Paris climate agreement pledges to reduce emissions, warming will still rise more than 5.4 degrees F (3 degrees C).
Global carbon emissions, which have risen year on year, need to fall 7.6 percent per year from now until 2030 to keep warming close to 2.7 degrees F (1.5 degrees C), according to a UN report released Nov 26.

   https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/11/earth-tipping-point/ 

now assume thats all 100% accurate, it seems absurd that we could meet those targets, so shouldn’t the shift be towards mitigating the effects?


#2223

Shit if it’s Art it must be true, even if it’s Shit Art (I wonder will Artists protest and refuse to use Carbon Black in their palette going forward)

Carbon TAX for ART anyone?


#2224

Apparently in the US, damage due to all weather events costs a diminutive 0.3% of GNP. Due to early warnings and disaster relief, extreme events are less destructive and far less lethal than ever before. So yes, of course it makes far more sense to spend money on dealing with the negative effects rather than trying to turn back the tide, Canute style.

Mark Steyn is usually a bit too triumphalist right winger for my taste, but this session with Anthony Watts, Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick is worth a look for the science bits.