The Irish Water (meters) thread


#1895

Concerning the refund of the water charges. People were asked to contribute their refund cheque to charity - does anybody know how much this initiative raised?

A workmate raised an interesting point on this - if you didn’t pay your water charges did anybody suggest that you should pay what you would have paid to charity?


#1896

the irony of those who encouraged non payment urging those who did to give the money to charity


#1897

300k actually received by 15th Dec
irishexaminer.com/ireland/ch … 64528.html

I think I recall reading that over 5m had been pledged though it’s easier to do that part than actually pay it over


#1898

Thanks - seems like a disappointing figure given the sums involved - but it’s probable that people gave at least part of the money to charities other than the ‘official’ one.


#1899

Irish Water confirms €1.3bn River Shannon Water Supply Project

rte.ie/news/2018/0424/95671 … r_shannon/


#1900

An aqueduct would look lovely


#1901

Irish Water says it needs €18bn to improve infrastructure

irishtimes.com/news/environ … -1.3474305


#1902

Irish Water to become single national utility

irishtimes.com/news/politic … -1.3566138


#1903

Unions won’t like that :slight_smile:


#1904

Have you seen the proposed water rates for businesses, to take effect from Q4 19? Huge increases


#1905

Domestic Metered Public Water Consumption
2016

cso.ie/en/releasesandpublic … ption2016/

Water consumption fell by 8.4% between 2015 and 2016


#1906

https://www.esr.ie/article/view/1186

‘You Don’t Miss the Water ’til the Well Runs Dry’: Factors Influencing the Failure of Domestic Water Charges in Ireland

Abstract

Access to safe drinking water and wastewater services is essential for public health, and wellbeing, but attitudes differ regarding how such services should be funded. In Ireland, the 2014 introduction of a domestic-sector, consumption-based, charging regime was met with public protests, leading eventually to the suspension of charges in 2016 and a subsequent recommendation by a parliamentary committee that they be abolished. Given that some form of domestic water charges exists in all EU countries, and that charges may still be required to comply with EU legislation, it is important to understand why the Irish domestic-charging policy failed. This paper presents five factors that were arguably influential in generating the opposition to such charges: whether water services are perceived as public, private or social goods; levels of public trust in government; personal values; ‘framing’ of the water charges policy; and the timing of the introduction of charges.


#1907

The first “excessive usage” water charges were supposed to start around July 2019. But – it now looks like this will be delayed until at least October 2020 .


#1908

Dublin’s capacity to maintain supplies is on a knife-edge. The system continues to leak close to 50 per cent of its supplies, which are treated at considerable cost. And if Irish Water has its way, by prioritising other investment, an exceptional level of leaks compared to any modern European city will continue for many years.

The public utility is banking on a solution that is controversial and expensive – piping water 170km from the river Shannon, which comes with a price tag in excess of €1.3 billion, and is in a cost category similar to the national children’s hospital. There are concerns also about switching from over-reliance on the river Liffey, which supplies 80 per cent of water in the Dublin region, to an over-reliance on the Shannon, which is intended to supply 40 per cent of Irish households concentrated in the eastern region by 2025.


#1909

I wonder what the ratio of “climate change” appearance in IT articles is running at at this point.

It’s usually injected by paragraph two or three.

Also if I have the timeline right, this plan exists in advance of Irish Water coming into existence.


#1910

Irish Water will charge Euro 66K. to connect this new-build house in Donegal. Who builds a house without checking on the water supply?

I suspect that Irish Water’s quote is not far off the actual cost of building a 270 metre water mains extension. Of course, the local Councillor wants this done gratis - whoever pays, it won’t be his constituent!

Did Irish Water tender for rural broadband? They have the statutory powers to lay lines. But the connection to rural broadband has to be almost-free to the end-user because there’d be too few takers if any realistic connection charge was imposed.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-water-presents-donegal-family-with-66k-bill-after-husband-spends-two-years-building-dream-home-941505.html