The National Debt


Note from Yogans link.

Estimated net outturn to the State from banking stabilisation
measures as at end-2018 €41.7bn
Estimated long-term recurring annual cost of servicing the debt €1.1 billion to €1.3 billion a year

That means each and every year forever as we are not able to €0 the debt off.

Range assuming interest rates of 2.5% to 3.0% per year; actual cost will be determined by the
amount realised from remaining investments and by State’s cost of borrowing.

On a good day (not today) we might get €10bn for our banks shares if we sold them, But that still leaves us paying €800-900m a year in interest, forever and ever and ever and ever more. :frowning:

Put another way, every working taxpayer now pays at least €50 a year simply for the privilege of owning these turds, no matter whether we sell them off or not. :frowning:


It’s funny that on the weekend of the guarantee, Sidewinder and I reckoned the cost of the bank guarantee would be about 47bn, given the turd-assets the banks had, international comparisons, and inevitable outcomes.

If you add in what shareholders &c lost, 47bn seems quite close.

Still, no-one could have predicted it, and that’s the funny bit…


Have Irish Sovereign Bonds Decoupled from the Euro Area Periphery, and Why?


Ah Jayis lads, I made that ‘decoupling’ point months ago. Furthermore we have recoupled with Germany if anything.


In about an hour he will have retired.

Bye Bye Super Mario. :slight_smile:


En Garde!


His farewell speech was a model of its kind, combining an expansive defence of his record with a call for action in key areas. He identifies a key weakness in Europe’s Financial architecture- the absence of a substantial fiscal capacity - but he acknowledges that the political will is lacking.

Of course he would have preferred if he could have unwound the Extraordinary measures of QE but the weakness of the German economy stayed his hand.


The amount of corporation tax coming in was so high, this month, that the NTMA pulled a bond auction due on the 14th of November because the money was seemingly not required.


That’s good marketing for the next one.


Does that mean they are paying down real debt with the windfall CT - really? Sounds far too logical and prudent for a government 6 months from an election and thousands of people waiting on trolleys in A&E


Not really, they are holding at around €205bn with a Brexit warchest ,until

a) UK exits with ‘A deal’
b) UK negotiates and signs a TRADE deal by end 2020 …allegedly, :smiley:

So there is no real wiggle room for paying down anything unless we are in actual possession of t(EG) that Apple windfall between now and the end of September 2020…in which case, of course, there will be.

Even then that windbag buffoon Johnson will be rowing with Barnier for all of 2020 so really…should we??? :frowning:

If we had the Apple windfall by March 2020 (in cash),and the UK finally passes ‘the deal’, and the UK negotiates a trade deal in 2020 and also signs it, then we would have a Gross Debt under €190bn by the end of 2020 and also below €200bn for the very first time since 2012.

I predict it will be around €205bn at end 2019 though (it was €215bn in 2013 mind) .

Forgot to mention that NAMA will pay off its residual bonds (€1bn) in H1 2020 and will transfer €2bn of its cash pile to the NTMA during H2 2020. It will dribble over another ~€2bn-~2.5bn as it completes speculative developments in the Docklands and Poolbeg SDZs (its main area of operations now) between 2020 and the final NAMA wind down in 2025. €2bn is not a windfall in this case but neither is it a kick in the head. :slight_smile:


Blockquote S&P upgraded Ireland’s rating from A+ to AA-, the level it was at prior to the financial crisis and bailout by the Troika and the fourth highest possible long-term debt rating from the firm.
It also assigned a stable outlook to the rating and upgraded Ireland’s short-term rating from A-1 to A-1+, S&P’s highest short-term rating.