The split split

“Because Justin Barrett is against this, I’m sorry but I can’t be against this. I am very intelligent.”



Justin Barrett’s Nationalist party + Catholic Church would fix everything, right?

Nope, Catholic Church headed by comrade Bergoglio SJ are 100% pro open borders.

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You’re operating at least 3 levels of insight below what is required to understand what is going on.

All the Liberals, and the Left hate traditional catholicism and have actively campaigned to deconstruct it, including campaigning to liberalize the Church itself. You lived through that, do you not remember? Now you’re blaming The Church, and not just not blaming the liberals who infested it…in fact you’re taking their side by being insidiously anti-Catholic.

There is no political solution to a spiritual problem. Ireland is spiritually dead. Some gay form of anti-Christian nationalism is not going to defeat the gay anti-Christians in charge.

All the Liberals, and the Left hate traditional catholicism and have actively campaigned to deconstruct it, including campaigning to liberalize the Church itself.

Weak victim Church, taken over by the liberals. That’s one story.

Genuine question, what exactly is your problem with Barrett? Seems so many despise him but is that just the green jersey thing as usual? The anti-abortion policy in particular?

Honestly, I’ve no allegiance.

Their principles:

"The National Party believes that the territory of Ireland consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas.

The National Party believes strongly in the principle of a Constitutional Republic, founded on individual personal freedoms, rights and responsibilities. We reject and resist a totalitarianism whose essence is found in the totality of State power and the exercise of State authority, and not the ideological direction of that totality.

The National Party believes that the State is the crucible and natural patrimony of the Nation. The State ought not, therefore, be the master of the Nation, but the Nation the master of the State. It follows that the State should act at all times and in every instance, in the interests of the Nation, embodied in one indivisible Irish people.

The National Party recognises the centripetal tendency of the bureaucratic State and its inevitable deleterious consequences in the quality and quantity of State level decision making. We therefore believe that a firm commitment to the principle and application of subsidiarity must be a central tenet of Government at every level.

The National Party approaches our membership of the European Union from the principle of refusing to accept the threatened destruction of our Nation’s freedom, and will endeavour to restore those freedoms which have already, unjustly, been given away.

The National Party believes in an aristocracy of achievement within a democracy of opportunity, practised and established economically by the strong advocacy of Free Productive Enterprise. Consequently we endorse the inalienable right to the ownership of Private Property, and shall defend that right against the equally dangerous encroachment of both State Socialism and Monopoly Capitalism.

The National Party opposes unrestricted immigration, placing above all the preservation of national identity and culture as the bedrock of a principled patriotism.

The National Party insists that no law should permit the provision of Abortion in Ireland.

The National Party demands a complete reform of our criminal justice system, placing the protection of society from criminality as its imperative value, up to and including restoration of the Death Penalty for particularly heinous crimes.


Barrett self-published a book in 1998 in which he set out his political principles and advocated the creation of a “Catholic Republic

My disagreement is on this idea.

IMO, idea of a ‘Catholic Republic’ is contradictory since the Catholic Church is now universalist.


I’m calling bullshit on this. Your opposition has nothing to do the internationalist aspects of the Catholic church - it has always been internationalist but has accelerated.

You like aspects of “Progressive Ireland” - no one preaching to you about personal sexual morality and sin etc - you don’t want a return to anything like that. Unfortunately, jettisoning any kind of personal restraint is intrinsic to the wider progressive agenda. Open legs led to open borders. In effect, you are a progressive.

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You like
you don’t
you are

Don’t straw man me. It’s tedious.

“I’m calling bullshit”

Okay. If you disagree with something. Say it. I disagree with that. Then explain the reasons why you disagree with it.

It’s really simple

  1. Do you
  1. And
  1. Do you accept

“Progressive Ireland” = Cryto-Catholic agenda.

Personal sexual morality/jettisoning any kind of personal restraint = Hidden forms of societal control.

Baffle garble. You must read Jordan Peterson :joy:.
Just answer the questions in a normalish way. And accept the consequences of your views.