Shocking rise continues
I wonder what it would be without emigration.
what has been done that actually might have improved our unemployment rate?
I can`t really think of anything
I’m not sure there’s anything we can do to create net new employment, to be honest.
If we end up with a balanced budget in 4 years, with unemployment still under 15%, then that’s probably a result (assuming we can write off some debt, banking or otherwise, as part of the process).
We had building jobs, tax revenue and tertiary effects which were all bubble related. 15% unemployment is probably our fluff-free norm, and the best position we can hope to be in, 10 years from now, is to have steady unemployment of about 10%. Like other developed welfare states (with minimum wages etc), we simply will not be able to attract jobs for those that cannot or will not engage above a certain skill set.
unless we see construction increase (which accounts for a high proportion of unemployment figure) or growth of around 3% we will not see any substantial reduction in unemployment. So unemployment will remain high for a long long time
It won’t be a popular choice with certain sections of the media, academia and various quangos, but immigration from non-EU countries to fill up non-skilled positions needs to be cut massively.
There are tens of thousands of €350-€400 a week jobs being filled by Mauritians, Bangladeshis, Turks etc which has the double-whammy effect of both taking a job from a young or low-skilled Irish person and of seeing a good chunk of their wages being remitted overseas instead of spent here.
Page 6 Persons under 25 years of age on the Live Register, 2010 to 2012
High Sep 2010 87,700
Current Jun 2012 74,700
Good old emigration of our newly qualified third level students.
…or what it would have been without immigration.
Just as we export a lot of our unemployment, we also imported a fair bit of it too!
Total employment among immigrants has fallen by 40 per cent, against a figure of 10 per cent for Irish people, data in the report from the Integration Centre reveals
but what irish person who can get welfare and all its benefits would take those jobs?
If our most educated and skilled are heading for greener pastures it doesn’t look good for our pensioners of the future. Hardship awaits.
I posted in another thread recently commenting on the fact that my daughter who’s a student got a summer job in a retail/wholesale place where she said most of the packing staff seemed to be asians. Meanhile, the estate she has to go through to get to work is full of late teen/early twenty-something track-suited wasters hanging around all day and night. Something very wrong about this - €400 a week is not bad money at all for someone with few skills) The generous Welfare State has to be tackled in a radical way - and soon!
Is their any economy with unemployment >= 14% where property prices have risen on avg over 12 months…
Does property rise when the unemployment figure is in a downward trajectory i.e. -20% -> -16%
Anyone have any details?
Hold on a sec - a lot of these “imported unemployed” went to Ireland to fill jobs.
A lot of them came in to fill low-skilled jobs in the construction and service industries - many of these jobs were the first to go in the downturn. (An Irish unemployed plasterer who goes to Australia, keeps the Unemployment figures down but equally, a Latvian landscaper who is now unemployed and remains in Ireland, keeps those figures up.) Just saying that it’s important to include immigration as well as emigration in the equation.
Fair enough, but I’m not keen on describing it as “imported unemployment” because it’s an inaccurate representation. At the time of import, the person was going to be employed, pay tax and PRSI, rent out a shoebox apartment, and so on.
Agreed…it doesnt matter what type of jobs they came here to do…they came here to work…
Well, to many other countries - Australia for example - it *does *matter what kind of jobs immigrants come in to do and they’re treated accordingly. (Probably why they’re more successful at managing their affairs than us.) I stand by my observation that bringing in massive numbers of low-skilled foreign workers for what turned out to be a short-term need, (which was exacerbated by generous welfare payments to our own low-skilled), has added to the unemployment figures. Many of those workers have gone home - such as the Brazillian meat plant workers in Gort and many of the Polish builders but according to a report I read recently quite a high proprotion have stayed to tough it out. It’s a scenario that didn’t exist during the 1980s recession - and it has to be figured into the numbers, that’s all.
Of course, the 1980s depression was different in this respect because it wasn’t preceded by largescale foreign immigration, was it? So that is a ridiculous comparison, really.
But then, are you not the person who posted a link to a Spanish National Bolshevik organisation?
Never miss an opportunity to spread a little hate …
You are right, they are non-Irish who are unemployed here…but I really dont see why it matters? Why does it need to be figured into the numbers? What value does that add, or what would be the point of it?
Why does it matter if the unemployed person is Irish or Polish? They both have the same rights…what can you do with that information?