Unemployment rises to 14.9%


#545

Right, that’s what I meant.


#546

QNHS Q1 2016 out next Tuesday

cso.ie/en/newsandevents/stat … ecalendar/


#547

I definitely agree that some of these guys need to be put to work, but, since their attitude to work is so poor, who would actually want them to work?

Generally employment is based on an individual providing a service another person wants, but if that person really sucks, do you really want them working? As in would you really put up with a resentful, lazy, deliberately incompetent person ‘working’ for you, or would you rather your taxes simply paid them a few quid to keep them from starving?

I know there’s more to it, and yeah it ain’t fair that some people do 'eff all, but are they good for anything else?


#548

Soap?


#549

Soup?

:-GC


#550

I was home last week and talking to a “builder” who was complaining that there was “fierce” little work out there.
This guy is on CE schemes/disability/whatever you’re having yerself for so so long.
He will take nixers where ever he can and charges top dollar, even to family as was mentioned by a sibling of his.
The only thing which stops him taking some nixers is where the nixers have to be carried out in a place which is open and can be snooped on by authorities.
I mentioned to him that the Dublin Commercial scene is very busy at the moment and that perhaps he should consider commuting for work.
He gave various responses varying from the work isn’t up there, it doesn’t pay enough to survive, down to anecdotes about being completely exhausted at the end of the day.
I didn’t press it as he obviously doesn’t want to work and he wasn’t there to visit me but somebody else in the household. feck, it isn’t even my taxes he is stealing these days.


#551

Jobs not Welfare is the solution.
Government should provide work for all those unemployed and in areas that suit their current abilities.

Minsky – who has now been proven correct on so many issues – advocated that approach a long time ago:
levyinstitute.org/publicatio … ot-welfare


#552

QNHS Q1 2016 has unemployment at 8.4% or 179,500 end of March 2016
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … rter12016/

This has revised the figure down 7,900 from the last monthly estimate of 8.6% or 187,400
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … april2016/


#553

May 2016 Live Register/Unemployment Rate

The seasonally adjusted Unemployment rate in May 2016 was 7.8% or 169,700, a monthly drop of -0.1% or 1,500.
This is the lowest rate since Oct 2008 when it was 7.6%
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … ntmay2016/

The seasonally adjusted Live Register figure in May 2016 was 309,200, down -3,600 monthly.
This is the lowest rate since Dec 2008 when it was 297,000.
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … ermay2016/

There were 63,855 casual and part-time workers on the Live Register in May 2016 which represents 20.8 % of the total Live Register (was 69,259 in May 2015 or 20.0%)

Live Register Activation Programmes:
April 2016 was 77,885 (April 2015 was 88,398)

Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly Live Register.
Figures available go back to Jan 2007. Lowest ever was 44,174 in Aug 2009; highest was 89,704 in Mar 2015.

Broad Jobless Rate:
If we add the total Live Register rate + Live Register Activation Programmes, the broad jobless rate stands at 18.0%
[309,200 (May 16)+ 77,885 (Apr 16)/ 2,156,000 in Labour Force per QNHS Q1 2016]


#554

June 2016 Live Register/Unemployment Rate

The seasonally adjusted Unemployment rate in June 2016 was 7.8% or 169,100, a monthly drop of -0.0% or -500.
This is the lowest rate since Oct 2008 when it was 7.6%
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … tjune2016/

The seasonally adjusted Live Register figure in June 2016 was 305,600, down -3,500 monthly.
This is the lowest rate since Dec 2008 when it was 297,000.
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … rjune2016/

There were 63,748 casual and part-time workers on the Live Register in June 2016 which represents 20.2% of the total Live Register (was 69,465 in June 2015 or 19.5%)

Live Register Activation Programmes:
May 2016 was 70,040 (May 2015 was 80,888)

Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly Live Register.
Figures available go back to Jan 2007. Lowest ever was 44,174 in Aug 2009; highest was 89,704 in Mar 2015.

Broad Jobless Rate:
If we add the total Live Register rate + Live Register Activation Programmes, the broad jobless rate stands at 17.4%
[305,600 (June 16)+ 70,040 (May 16)/ 2,156,000 in Labour Force per QNHS Q1 2016]


#555

July 2016 Live Register/Unemployment Rate

The seasonally adjusted Unemployment rate in July 2016 was 7.8% or 169,100, a monthly drop of -0.0% or -000.
This is the lowest rate since Oct 2008 when it was 7.6%
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … tjuly2016/

The seasonally adjusted Live Register figure in July 2016 was 300,300, down -5,100 monthly.
This is the lowest rate since Dec 2008 when it was 297,000.
cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica … rjuly2016/

There were 60,080 casual and part-time workers on the Live Register in July 2016 which represents 19.4% of the total Live Register (was 68,799 in June 2015 or 18.9%)

Live Register Activation Programmes:
June 2016 was 62,517 (June 2015 was 70,068)

Persons on activation programmes are not counted as part of the monthly Live Register.
Figures available go back to Jan 2007. Lowest ever was 44,174 in Aug 2009; highest was 89,704 in Mar 2015.

Broad Jobless Rate:
If we add the total Live Register rate + Live Register Activation Programmes, the broad jobless rate stands at 16.8%
[300,300 (July 16)+ 62,517 (June 16)/ 2,156,000 in Labour Force per QNHS Q1 2016]


#556

At some point the decline in unemployment will level off. I think it’s happening now.

There is basically full employment for those with third-level education.

Unemployment rolls have a greater weighting toward the lower skilled now. These are harder to activate, are less employable in tech sector and more likely to be in employment (tourism, construction, low end of services) with more tenuous employment terms and conditions.


#557

Get building houses and start reducing welfare payments considerably after one year. That will get low skilled people off the register. Oh yeah, make annual state doctor certification mandatory for those on disability benefit too


#558

Well from a political point of view, now has got to be the best time to start making snips to welfare.


#559

Ending poverty: Jobs not welfare

great read.

levyinstitute.org/publicatio … ot-welfare


#560

a proportion of the Irish population are unemployable because they are basically untrustworthy.
My first job up in the big smoke in a factory and there was this girl working on a receiver listening to Garda radio bands as a sideline occupation.
Co-workers in my career told me how they had been approached to be the “inside man” by criminals looking to raid/de-fraud their employer.
A Security Guard’s accommodation filled to the rafters with stock from the warehouses he was supposed to be guarding.
Colleagues who intentionally sabotaged product for shits and giggles.
workers in administrative positions in warehouses setting up import\export operations to false accounts, receiving the goods and billing the shipping costs to their employer.

If Ireland ever set up a major Ireland wide infrastructure upgrade project these people who on a rolling basis make up the persistent 6 to 7% unemployed could not be trusted to do the job for which they are paid. raw materials would go missing. Machinery would go missing, large machinery go missing in an organised way and work sabotaged to the benefit of third parties.

Add to that the % of men who are somewhere sever on the autistic spectrum.
Add to that the downright lazy.
Add to that the people at the very bottom end of the intelligence bell-curve and 6 to 7% unemployment is here to stay in Ireland.

It could be potentially a bit lower in Northern European countries where the people are a bit less lazy due to a protestant work ethic and don’t break the law because, ya know, that would be illegal and have a slightly better education system which catches the kids with learning difficulties and puts them on a practical education path.


#561

Typical Poles. Coming over here and geting jobs, paying taxes and speaking sense.


#562

The Irish are able to do it abroad.


#563

A quick check shows lowest unemployment was 3% in 2001 and bounced along 3 odd % til end of 2007. I can’t see us ever getting back to that number.

Even 5% would be good and what the Irish Gov are aiming to call Full Employment.


#564

We’ll probably be like Finland where there are structural unemployment pockets after lay offs in forestry, ours is just in areas where the only employment was building houses where there was no demand.

The only thing that might reach such places now is the completion of an all Ireland motorway route, it may end being our Japanese airport with no passengers but the Germans want to sell cars too!