Urban v Rural


#61

Nah, the years don’t drag on any longer, it just feels that way. :-GC


#62

I would be mindful about life expectancy in urban and rural lifestyles based on those surveys. For example those currently living longer in rural areas probably had a much more active lifestyle than todays inhabitants who have become very dependent on the car for nearly everything. In years to come those surveys may well show that urban dwellers who walk and cycle more may well be living longer than their rural counterparts.
From my own experience of having to cover both rural and urban areas I’d say it takes more commitment to keep fit in the car dependent countryside than pedestrian urbanity.


#63

irishexaminer.com/opinion/ed … 43418.html

*A SECOND county coroner yesterday rang the alarm bells about escalating suicide rates in rural areas.
… a trend that suggests social isolation and loneliness are at the root of a surge in the numbers of older people taking their lives.
He suggested that this sense of being abandoned was caused, in part at least, by the closure of traditional centres of social interaction — the local pub, the post office and a huge range of small, community-based businesses. **Some of these deaths must be attributed to our new puritanism surrounding even the most restrained cases of drinking and driving. ***

globalpost.com/dispatch/news … icide-rate
The incidence of self-harm is highest in rural Ireland, with counties like Offaly recording twice the number of suicides as Dublin. The collapse of the construction industry has hit such counties hard, leaving developments of half-finished houses, empty retail parks and long lines at unemployment offices.

And you can’t entirely blame the recession either. This from 2004:

independent.ie/health/rural- … 65666.html
*Rural town has second worst suicide rate in the world
SOME 34 young men have killed themselves in a rural town in the past three years, with a stretch of the local cemetery now grimly known as “suicide row”. In the prosperous East Cork town of Midleton, the per capita suicide rate is not only the worst in Ireland but it is the second-worst in the world. *


#64

Nah, the years don’t drag on any longer, it just feels that way. :-GC

Entirely off topic I know, but am I the only person unconvinved by longevity as an indicator of well being after a certain age? Clearly, in countries where average length of life is below, say, 70, there are health/lifestyle/poverty issues to be addressed. Or if a country experiences a sudden drop in life expectancy (like in Russia after the fall of communism), that is indicative of a major public health problem. But does anyone think, for instance, that there is a major social and personal advantage for rural Scottish women in living until 81.8 instead of 79.5? Personally, I am much less interested in how long I live than I am in the quality of that life. I’d much rather die in my late 70s after a healthy life and short illness, than in my late 80s having had 10 years of increasingly poor quality of life but having been kept alive because of medical interventions.

I’ve known three people in their nineties reasonably well and two of them were utterly miserable for the last years of their livees - lonely, waiting to die, both missing children who had died before them terribly. Both were otherwise healthy, well cared for, financially secure, relatively indepedent and surrounded by family who visited regularly. Makes you think. Although, by way of balance, the third is still alive, has been widowed for 40 years but enjoys life tremendously and last year put in a new pink kitchen in her house ‘to cheer the place up’ as she put it :smiley:


#65

Knew a girl from outside Midleton, suicide was really bad around there in the 80s too, she lost her uncle to it. She said there was three of them in one valley in the space of a year or two.
It’s the saddest thing I’ve seen about rural decline, it really hits men in their 30s and 40s. One particular town I know pretty much lost all its mid teen to late twenties population to emigration. A lot of older people don’t understand what’s happening and it’s really sad to see them cope. I know one lady in 70s hung herself.


#66

Midleton is urban though isnt it?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Cork

There arent that many isolated places in Ireland really. Suppose it depends on your standards.
If you are used to NYC then Connemara is middle of nowhere. If your used to the Australian outback it is a metropolis.


#67

Don’t buy it Midleton is only 24k from Cork city, plenty of suicides in Urban areas too, and I know from personal experience. Could be drugs, could be anything I do agree that drugs can get a hold on a smaller town, but again depends on the type of drugs. Larger Urban areas can alienate people just as quickly.

Either way off topic, pro’s and cons to both, I think you need access to a reasonable sized town from wherever you live, as for needing the car to get everywhere, believe me you need the car just as much in Dublin if you don’t live in the city centre or along a Luas or Dart line, some of the estates out in west dublin are huge.


#68

This might be of interest:
[urlhttps://researchthecity.com/index.php/the-fittest-parts-of-dublin/]The Fittest Parts of Dublin

It doesn’t really do rural areas as it’s restricted to Dublin, but it does show a very stark difference in activity levels around Dublin, and the most rural part of the county (Swords) seems to come off worst.


#69

Of course not, just a terrible city - crap transport, planning, facilities…


#70

Nevermind the Scotland link I put up earlier! I found an Irish one!!
Fascinating stuff

publichealth.ie/sites/defaul … t%2008.pdf


#71

Could I ask what particular facilities are “crap” in Dublin compared to other cities of comparable size? Parks? Concert venues? Shopping Centres? Coffee Shops? Cinemas? Beaches? Restuarants? Pubs? Museums? Art Galleries? Golf Clubs? Gyms? Sports Venues? Airports? Access to mountains and seaside villages? etc etc…


#72

guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/2 … expectancy

telegraph.co.uk/health/33190 … untry.html

Interesting reads

Most rural Irish towns have all that except for concert venues, museums & art galleries - how often does the average person go to one of those in fairness?

Alot of people here say that driving everywhere is the main drawback to rural living. In Dublin unless you are commuting into the city you are lookin at taking two bus/train journeys. I know people who decided to commute from Wicklow, Meath, Kildare etc because they could get a better house rather than an apartment in Dublin from where their commute would be equally as long via public transport. Instead they sit in their own vehicle, adjust the temperature, listen to their own music instead of sometimes squashing up against people some who arent always the cleanest!

In 2001 over 80% of households owned a vehicle.
ideas.repec.org/p/esr/wpaper/wp269.html

Page 60 - 19.7% of households in the state have no car
kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/Corpora … 323,en.pdf

Even in Dublin having a car is not exactly a luxury. I`m currently living about 2km from several supermarkets, I cycle, the weather here is always perfect for cycling yet doing my shopping on a bike is a huge pain. I couldnt imaging doing shopping for a family that way, its bad enough for myself.

It is nearly sleep time here downunder but a more up to date version of this would be great:
**
Average Commute in Ireland:**
esri.ie/pdf/COMMUTING.PDF

Even the counties with the highest commutes (which happen to be the counties surrounding Dublin) have over 75% of people doing under 15 miles. 15 miles on good roads is a perfectly acceptable commute in my opinion. On a motorway even better.


#73

Years ago I lived in an apartment that was to the back of a well known development and looked onto the side of a building.

I never saw people coming and going, never heard the sound of cars or activity, and although I was in the middle of D4, felt totally isolated. I lasted 4 months there and swore never to allow that to happen again.

Its the loneliness thats the killer (according to Seal).


#74

That’s what I love about suburbia. :smiley: (no irony intended). I don’t care who my neighbours are as long as they’re quiet, tidy and leave me in peace.


#75

I’m lucky enough to have the use of two houses, one suburban SCD, one back-of-the-beyond rural (but still walkable to the nearest pub). I love both. The people I socialise with don’t live in the immediate vicinity of either house, so I don’t know a lot of neighbours in either case. Work is in a bleak business park in M50-land, but I work from (both) homes a lot. My hobby interests require minimum light pollution, and the rural location is ideal. Not really feasible to live in two places forever, but I will continue it for as long as I possibly can. Bit of a hermit lifestyle, but I enjoy it.


#76

OT, but any chance you would start an ameteur Astronomy thread in the piston. I’d love to get started but I’d need to pester someone with questions in order to buy the right equipment and treat it correctly.


#77

I don’t doubt it jasperowon, it just feels more like there’s more of an impact in rural clusters where people would know eachother more.


#78

Two to five times a month, perhaps. Much more often than I’d visit a golf club (never), gym (never), sports venue (never) or even cinema (three or four times a year and I’d be more likely to see “arty” films that might not make it to cinemas in smaller towns).

It’s true that most rural towns do have restaurants, but you’re going to have a pretty limited selection.

It depends on your interests. Different environments will suit different people.


#79

Well, I was just responding to someone who said Dublin had “crap facilities.” As far as I’m concerned, the Greater Dublin area has pretty much everything anyone could want in a city. For example, as a big live music fan I’ve been to about seven gigs in the last three weeks or so (including Tom Petty, Dawes, Paul Simon, Springsteen (X2), Waterboys etc.) all within 30 mins door to door. Would hate to have to drive to these gigs, as I like a few beers before, during and after! I think I’d go stir crazy if my only choice was Carmel and Her Concertina in the local lounge bar.


#80

Carmel and her Concertina? No ‘arty’ films outside the M50?

Such ignorance is really, really astounding in the modern age. Coupled with the notion that the limits of your experience lie within the limits of public transport? Which, having walked from Suir Road to town last night because of a car crash on Luas line, isn’t without its failings either. Of course, I could have taken the bus, but since there’s no information at the stops, and I wasn’t chipped at birth with the programme that fills in those information gaps, I figured I’d get closer to where I wanted to be by walking.

HiFi, your equalisers are clearly faulty… What you meant to say was that you like going to big stadium gigs, which mostly only happen in the cities. There’s a very, very vibrant live music scene outside of the Pale, and terrific venues.

Madness of Crowds, I was beginning to think we probably have a lot of interests in common, then you go all culture-snob and assume there’s no such thing as a decent art exhibition, gallery space, museums? And there are great arts festivals, arts centes, music festivals beyond the M50.

And no decent restaurants?

The very great advantage of rural living, is that your view of the world is open to the fact that there is life elsewhere, like cities. The vice-versa doesn’t seem to apply. And one of the great charms is that you don’t expect to find everything you want on your doorstep.

You guys really, really need to get out more. Out of your comfort zones.