Work in the Future..


Id say there are plenty of landlords in this country that wouldnt mind starting again as well.


Haha! But think of the yields from all those Allsop properties!


Appreciate the comments so far - I think ultimately i’m probably at a stage where i’m deciding between accepting the partnership offer and having a go at it for 10/15 years or switching to industry. Doing something more fanciful doesn’t seem like too much of an option at present given the present state of the country.

I guess Blow-in is right when he says ‘But in the main I see the positives as far more outweighing the negatives’ - I guess I feel that way too but its just hard to feel that way at times. I’ll definitely be using that as a motto to keep me going. I know I have it more than okay compared to some and feel a bit indulgent even broaching the subject - but i guess its human nature to always want more. I would love to do something that I genuinely love and have a passion for - not just something i can stick and that pays the bills - but maybe thats further down the line as I guess i don’t even know what it is (I’ve a few ideas though).

Maybe i’m just a work to live person. Maybe I shouldnt think about it at all and carry on rather than getting into a tizzy.

PS If there are any others who have dealt with going into a partnership (accountancy, law etc) i’d love to hear your experience by PM. Cheers


This has been a great thread. I’ve come to accept that what I really want to do might never financially sustain me but it certainly puts a different complexion on whatever I do to pay the bills, it becomes less a chore or hinderance and more simply a fruitful means.

As I get older I worry less and less about my financial future and care more about happiness, my own and of those around me.
I’ve seen enough of my contemporaries enslaved by their own insecurities to believe that nothing material is sacred, life is a precious thing and becomes more valuable as we have less. Career use to be everything to me, now I care not.
I simply can not plan beyond five years, anything beyond that is highly speculative and not worth losing sleep over.

Right now I live near a beach, something I dreamt of doing as a child and I read from morning to night to sate a curiosity that grows with age. I will admit that I was overtaken by the fear in these last few years but I’ve come to remember that chaos is the natural state of the world and anyone who says that it must act in some ordered manner must live a dull life in which there are never any surprises.

I care less about the meaning of life and more about living a life with meaning. After that there just seems to be nothing else.


Thanks for that post. I take encouragement from it, being on the brink of a radical change in direction myself. (Scares the crap out of me too).


I`ll say this about web design:

It will end up being mostly automated in a few years. Alot of company websites & intranet sites are being edited on things like Microsoft Sharepoint and Adobe Dreamweaver by the admin staff. Anyone used Ruby/Ruby on Rails? It is a coders way or automating web design. Eventually automation will take over completely.


is living by the beach all you hoped it would be ?


I disagree. By analogy, you could say that high level languages automate the production of machine code. It’s true in a limited sense, but the programs still don’t write themselves. Those languages just take the specification of the program to a higher level of abstraction. You get more for less. The same will be true of web design. There will still be a job that involves turning a requirements specification into an implementation, but the erstwhile web designer shouldn’t rely on the same tools being in demand forever. But that’s my point about IT in general – a future proof set of skills will involve a deep conceptual understanding across many areas; particular specialisations will come in and out of fashion as quick as you can say AI-cloud-4GL-objectweb-SOA-blah-blah-blah.


web DESIGN won’t ever go away - web page production may do. Design is an ever evolving art form, with changing trends from year to year. Web development will equally not be fully automated, as newer technologies develop and older ones integrate, there will be the requirement to develop the tools to automate some parts of the development. Automation requires development and maintenance!


A lot of fairly unskilled people with low educational attainment go in for web-design.

I would presume it has some fairly basic competencies that can be quickly understood and applied and so suit the candidate intake.


I suppose my point is that you will need less and less experts in it


I think that applies across the board in IT. The easy to learn, simple rote jobs are all being automated or outsourced. I attended a talk by the CIO of EMC once and he mentioned that they planned to eliminate most of their helpdesk staff over the next few years. Tasks like resetting passwords, installing new software etc. could all be performed by the users themselves using web-based automation tools.

So a lot of jobs get eliminated but the ones that are left are at a higher functional level and better paid.


An awful lot of people seem to work in IT on the Pin!

Personally, I think we are all living in the post-Halcyon days of Pensions. I see my parents and my friends’ parents both in Ireland and abroad and frankly, they have a standard of living in retirement that our generation could never hope to attain. Saying that, they are always moaning so I’m not sure how much good it does them. It seems to me that despite all their financial comfort they are actually quite bored, hence the devouring of the Daily Mail/Daily Mail equivalents and bitching about young people, immigrants, etc … they don’t seem to have anything better to do other than watch Countdown and Judge Judy. Obviously this is a sweeping statement and not all pensioners are like this, but I think it’s true for a lot of them.

So having accepted that there’s be no golden handshake for me, I guess I’m realising that that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, I can enjoy life now rather than slaving away, counting down the days until I hit retirement. How depressing that must be! The trick in these “working-well-into-our-dotage” times seems to be to start thinking now about work that is sustainable, i.e. find something that I don’t hate to supplement my meagre pension that I think can do after the age of 65 that I’d enjoy. Also - as another poster commented - lowering expectations is important, I think. Right now, living without a car has been a revelation for me, it’s totally liberating. I’m experimenting to see what else I can live without - crap food is just about gone, I don’t need an iphone (who does, really?) and so on. What’s tricky is thinking of what I could do, workwise, until I shuffle off this mortal coil.


It was something that I really wanted to do as a kid and only recently rekindled by a chance relocation, I was never one for package sun holidays but now that I live near it I spend most of time there when the weather is good. To be honest I was really surprised how much I’ve taken to it considering I was always more into hill walking and culture holidays. Maybe it’s a zen thing.


Great to hear that!


It’s amazing what you can find out in books! Here’s some suggestions:

“I could do anything if I only knew what it was” by Barbara Sher

“How to find the work you love” by Laurence Boldt

Much more wholesome than that 50 Shades of Grey muck :laughing:


If you truly don’t know what you’d like to work at but really want to find out consider a session with a career guidance person.


You should see how some people retire in Australia. Sell up the house. Buy a 4x4 & Caravan.
Off around Australia for years and years. Some stop at places they like and end up living in parks there.
Living in a caravan park here can be a totally different experience to back home. You are talking about good weather, swimming pools, cooking facilities, fridges & toilet & shower facilities.

Of course if you are not into that kind of thing there is always Hervey Bay :smiley:


Where do you get that from?

In the mid to late eighties I worked in a graphics/repro house. Personal computers were being introduced and people (mainly cost cutting management style eejits) thought that their secretaries ought to now be able to produce their annual reports/fliers/ads etc using their word processors. It was funny at times. Some people - the same sort of people - seem to think that they can get their wife’s nephew who has done a fas course in web design to produce their all singing all dancing thoroughly seo’d and socially networked website. Is it those sort of people you’re talking about?


Cheers for that.


As the Big 40 looms I’m starting to think more and more like this. I mean, what really is the point of these highly-paid but high-stress careers? I went through my own mini-austerity 4 years ago, cut out all the unnecessary spending, cleared all the debts. I don’t need this career/job any more…and can I see myself still sitting at a desk churning out code in 10 years time? 5 years? 2?


It’s a fascinating, if disconcerting, train of thought. But we were brainwashed back at school way back then. You studied hard, got to college, got a degree, and a good satisfying career would be yours before retiring to a nice pension at 65, or even earlier if you were lucky. That was the script we were sold.

Of course that was all a crock of lies, it was the generation before us who had that particular cushty number. But even though the script had changed and the endgame was always going to be very different, we all trudged along the path anyway. Mad really, looking back at it.

So. What next? What would I want to do? What would I be good at and enjoy doing, that would cover my meagre bills? And I find that I have no idea. For 16 years or so now I’ve been doing the one thing…often crazy hours for months on end. It’s not healthy, it’s not balanced. And you have to ask yourself, what’s the actual point of dragging yourself into that office to sit at that desk for another 9 hours tomorrow…and the day after…for another 20 or 30 years…and for what, money I don’t actually need?

Exciting, isn’t it? I’ve no idea where these thoughts will lead over the next few months but it’ll be an adventure to find out :smiley: