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 Post subject: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:45 am 
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http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/12 ... ent-sizes/
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Smaller apartments are to be permitted under new planning guidelines published by the Department of the Environment.
Minister Alan Kelly said that 8,000 residential units needed to be built in Dublin this year, but fewer than 3,000 were delivered.
Mr Kelly said the viability of new construction was holding back the supply of housing, particularly apartments.
The new planning guidelines on design standards for apartments sets the minimum size of one-bedroom units at 45 square metres, two beds at 73 and three beds at 90 square metres.
Studio apartments of 40 square metres will also be permitted in certain developments.
Up until now the the minimum size for a one bedroom apartment in Dublin City and Cork is 55 square metres and for a two bed it is 90 square metres.


Thats a 27% reduction in size for the 1 beds

So I make that:
Developers 1
AK47 0
The Bookies wouldn't have given you odds!

Of course Kelly never thought about lowering the Govt's take from the tax side of things.
So Developers happy....Govt eventually happy if new builds come on....Purists happy as I presume nothing will change on high rise. Who's going to lose out :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:54 am 
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FreeFallin wrote:
Liam Caroll, where are you, we need you!

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/12 ... ent-sizes/
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Smaller apartments are to be permitted under new planning guidelines published by the Department of the Environment.
Minister Alan Kelly said that 8,000 residential units needed to be built in Dublin this year, but fewer than 3,000 were delivered.
Mr Kelly said the viability of new construction was holding back the supply of housing, particularly apartments.
The new planning guidelines on design standards for apartments sets the minimum size of one-bedroom units at 45 square metres, two beds at 73 and three beds at 90 square metres.
Studio apartments of 40 square metres will also be permitted in certain developments.
Up until now the the minimum size for a one bedroom apartment in Dublin City and Cork is 55 square metres and for a two bed it is 90 square metres.


Thats a 27% reduction in size for the 1 beds

So I make that:
Developers 1
AK47 0
The Bookies wouldn't have given you odds!

Of course Kelly never thought about lowering the Govt's take from the tax side of things.
So Developers happy....Govt eventually happy if new builds come on....Purists happy as I presume nothing will change on high rise. Who's going to lose out :twisted:


All is well in Cartel land ...

Country Tom sitting back in the chesterfield with a large Brandy and a Cohiba ....ok ok a pint and packet of crisps BD

The motor industry delighted also ..more short term unsustainable city living ...forcing people out into the suburbs in a few years.

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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:07 am 
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention...AK47 hopes that these changes will get the price of the smaller 1 bed apts in Dublin city centre under 300k :roll:
Presumably that equals affordability :sick:


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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:38 am 
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lecturer on Newstalk reckoned reducing the size by 20% would reduce the build cost by 5%...


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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:45 am 
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€300k for a tiny 1 bed??? What the fickedy fuck??
You can buy a 1 bed in smithfeld for €126k.

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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:45 am 
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Beyond Pebbledash, Paul Kearns’ and Motti Ruimy’s book, sets out the consequences clearly. In Dublin’s north inner-city, with a population in 2011 of 20,540 people, 46.5% of homes had one bedroom or less.

I'm all for having a variety of accommodation, but if half of all "homes" have one bedroom or less...?

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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:59 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:06 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:08 am 
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outspann wrote:
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Beyond Pebbledash, Paul Kearns’ and Motti Ruimy’s book, sets out the consequences clearly. In Dublin’s north inner-city, with a population in 2011 of 20,540 people, 46.5% of homes had one bedroom or less.

I'm all for having a variety of accommodation, but if half of all "homes" have one bedroom or less...?


That's not down to single bed apartments though - it's a consequence of pre-63 bedsit land. Doesn't take that many Georgian piles with ten or more bedsits to drive up the percentage figures. I'd guess the figure has fallen since, what with the abolishment of bedsits, and the conversion of many redbricks back to owner-occupier residences.


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 Post subject: Re: Shoebox Apartments are back
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:09 am 
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Alan Kelly wrote:
There are a lot of cranes around Dublin city centre at the moment, there's a lot of building going on. That building that's going on is basically office blocks. They are not building apartments.

Is that true? I got the impression that most new permissions were for mixed office/residential/retail.

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