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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:14 pm 
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This is all to save Merkel's coalition. The consequences of a collapse, particularly if it meant the end of Angela, would be pretty serious at this point in time.

Wonder what kind of compromise they have hammered out.

This leaves a bit more space for discussing Brexit at the main summit - if there's much to discuss..


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 Post subject: Brexit: Three 'simple' requirements for EU citizens to stay
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:05 pm 
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EU citizens will have to answer three "simple" questions online if they want to continue living in the UK after Brexit, the home secretary has said.

Sajid Javid said the government's "default" position would be to grant, not refuse, settled status.

People will be asked to prove their ID, whether they have criminal convictions and whether they live in the UK.

Their answers will be checked against government databases and a decision given "very quickly", said Mr Javid.

The scheme will operate online and via a smartphone app, Mr Javid said, and would be "as simple as people can reasonably expect", with most decisions turned around within two weeks or sooner.
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People from the Republic of Ireland will not need to apply for settled status but can do so if they wish to

The hope is that most applicants will not have to provide supporting documents because their answers will be checked against HM Revenue and Customs and other government databases.


So, if you're already there, you'll need to apply to stay.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit: Three 'simple' requirements for EU citizens to s
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:02 pm 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44553225
EU citizens will have to answer three "simple" questions online if they want to continue living in the UK after Brexit, the home secretary has said.

Sajid Javid said the government's "default" position would be to grant, not refuse, settled status.

People will be asked to prove their ID, whether they have criminal convictions and whether they live in the UK.

Their answers will be checked against government databases and a decision given "very quickly", said Mr Javid.

The scheme will operate online and via a smartphone app, Mr Javid said, and would be "as simple as people can reasonably expect", with most decisions turned around within two weeks or sooner.
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People from the Republic of Ireland will not need to apply for settled status but can do so if they wish to

The hope is that most applicants will not have to provide supporting documents because their answers will be checked against HM Revenue and Customs and other government databases.


So, if you're already there, you'll need to apply to stay.


In principle, it sounds pretty straightforward and has only a perfectly reasonable burden of evidence.

In practice, it involves that fatal combination of government and IT. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit: Three 'simple' requirements for EU citizens to s
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:45 am 
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In practice, it involves that fatal combination of government and IT. :?

I was thinking that too.. the app will probably auto-fire you from your job, deport you and send a letter to your mother telling her you've been bold.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:49 am 
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Anyway, the gloom keeps coming:
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0622/972326-airbus/
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Airbus warns no-deal Brexit threatens its UK future

Aerospace firm Airbus has warned it could pull out of the UK with the loss of thousands of jobs at 25 sites across the country in the event of a "no-deal" Brexit.
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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:16 am 
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yoganmahew wrote:
Anyway, the gloom keeps coming:
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0622/972326-airbus/
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Airbus warns no-deal Brexit threatens its UK future

Aerospace firm Airbus has warned it could pull out of the UK with the loss of thousands of jobs at 25 sites across the country in the event of a "no-deal" Brexit.
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Looks like, Project fear is going to meet Project reality.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:16 am 
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https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0623/972615-brexit/
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May 'not bluffing' over walking away from Brexit talks
Britain’s International Trade Secretary Liam Fox has said Theresa May is "not bluffing" about being prepared to walk away from talks with Brussels, as cabinet colleague Boris Johnson urged the UK Prime Minister to deliver a "full British Brexit".

Mr Fox said the economic impact of a "no-deal" Brexit on EU members would be "severe".

Meanwhile, Mr Johnson said people would not tolerate a "bog roll Brexit" that was "soft, yielding and seemingly infinitely long".

The Brexiteer cabinet ministers' messages came as pro-EU marchers prepared to take to the streets to call for a referendum on the terms of Brexit secured by Mrs May, two years on from the public's decision to leave the bloc.
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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:05 pm 
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So can the UK have frictionless trade with the EU without being in the customs union? It doesn't seem possible to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:19 pm 
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Ireland has managed to retain internal tariffs when it comes to motor vehicles (VRT) so there won't be any change there.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:30 pm 
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dolanbaker wrote:
Ireland has managed to retain internal tariffs when it comes to motor vehicles (VRT) so there won't be any change there.

But frictionless is only peripherally about tariffs. It's got to do with standards (of multiple sorts, from standardised packaging to standard health regimes), courts of dispute resolution, future trade agreements (so the UK would have to have third countries sign up to the EU standards, supposing those are the ones adopted (and I don't see that the EU would make an exception to current frictionless trade rules :|)). Tariffs are the easy bit (VAT rates vary across the EU), it's all the rest that's complicated.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
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yoganmahew wrote:
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Meanwhile, Mr Johnson said people would not tolerate a "bog roll Brexit" that was "soft, yielding and seemingly infinitely long".


Boris's preferred alternative is just full of shit. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:59 am 
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dolanbaker wrote:
Ireland has managed to retain internal tariffs when it comes to motor vehicles (VRT) so there won't be any change there.


Cars are somewhat exceptional. They have to be registered for other purposes (safety etc) and they are very hard to hide.

Alcohol and petrol also have excise applied deferentially (essentially tariffs) but again transport of fuel and petrol is very visible and the re-sale is quite heavily regulated.

It would be very difficult to maintain something like VRT on flat-screen TVs within a customs union that doesn't involve wholesale administrative checks at borders.

Cigarettes is of course a useful example too. EU countries have differential tax rates on them but have massive problems preventing smuggling as they are so easy to easy to transport and sell.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:27 am 
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The outline of Mrs May’s strategy can already be discerned: it is hidden in plain sight, but gradually becoming clearer to those who are connecting the clues contained in various speeches and policy papers.

The evidence suggests Mrs May wants to keep Britain in a tight customs relationship with the EU and something that looks suspiciously like a single market for industrial goods; services and financial services would be covered by looser agreements. Some fear this will end up with European Court of Justice rulings over the goods sector — crossing one of Mrs May’s red lines — and possible payments to the EU budget.

The threat last week by Airbus to shift investment out of the UK unless a smooth Brexit is guaranteed will strengthen Mrs May’s hand. It is far from clear whether the EU would accept such a proposal, but it is certain that the Eurosceptics will not like it. Mr Johnson told his Thatcherite colleagues this month that Brexit would happen, but added: “The risk is that it will not be the one we want.”

The most obvious sign of Mrs May’s intent is her answer to the so-called “Irish backstop” question: the legally binding and open-ended guarantee demanded by Brussels that there will be no return to a hard border on the island of Ireland. In a paper published this month, she quashed protests from her Brexit secretary, David Davis — who threatened to resign — by committing the whole UK to close ties to the EU’s customs union until or unless another solution was found to avoid checks along what was once a militarised frontier.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:47 am 
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dolanbaker wrote:
Ireland has managed to retain internal tariffs when it comes to motor vehicles (VRT) so there won't be any change there.


Cars are somewhat exceptional. They have to be registered for other purposes (safety etc) and they are very hard to hide.

Alcohol and petrol also have excise applied deferentially (essentially tariffs) but again transport of fuel and petrol is very visible and the re-sale is quite heavily regulated.

It would be very difficult to maintain something like VRT on flat-screen TVs within a customs union that doesn't involve wholesale administrative checks at borders.

Cigarettes is of course a useful example too. EU countries have differential tax rates on them but have massive problems preventing smuggling as they are so easy to easy to transport and sell.

The real point that I am making is that the EU's rules on the free movement of goods and services are being flouted by some countries when it suits them.
Brexit is nothing more than a few more items being added to that list.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain leaving the European Union.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:51 am 
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Two years on from the vote and we're still watching the UK negotiate with itself as to what it wants.

I'd find it humorous only that I'm currently living in England.

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