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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:12 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:48 pm 
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McWilliams wants to move Dublin Port -
shame about the details


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/lett ... -1.3390873

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– David McWilliams (“Dublin Port is a waste of space. Move it”, Opinion, February 10th) says we should “move the port and make Dublin one of the great cities”. If only it were that easy.

Dublin Port is where it is for a good reason. The east coast is shallow and sandy and the Liffey, augmented by the Great South Wall and the North Bull Wall, provides relatively deep water. To get equivalently deep water elsewhere on the east coast would require massive breakwaters (think of the size of Dún Laoghaire’s piers and multiply by at least five) to build a huge new harbour on pristine and precious coastline.

Your columnist says “transport depots do not need to be by the sea”. That is why we are already developing the 44 hectare Dublin Inland Port 14km inland to accommodate the empty container depots and haulier yards we will move from Dublin Port.

David McWilliams speaks of “massive oil drums”. He is referring to large tanks containing close to 400,000 tonnes of petroleum products through which flows 4.3 million tonnes of product a year. I believe it would be near impossible to get planning permission and other necessary consents for such a move.

He says “Dublin Port only employs 140 people”. In fact there are more than 3,000 people working in Dublin Port.

“An international state-of-the-art port” that serves the Dublin-Belfast corridor is an “absolute must”, he writes. We have that already in Dublin Port.

Apparently we should do what they have done in, for example, Copenhagen and Barcelona. The equivalent in Dublin to what these cities have done is to build further into Dublin Bay, something we will not do.

To build a new port somewhere else would take 20 years. References to a “crippling housing shortage” are irrelevant in this timescale. The problems cited by David McWilliams of urban sprawl can be dealt with independently of Dublin Port and in a much shorter timescale.

Furthermore, in the time it would take to build a new port, the volumes through Dublin Port will have more than doubled. In the last five years alone, volumes have increased by 30 per cent. We are developing Dublin Port to reach its maximum capacity by 2040. We invested €75 million in 2017, will invest €132 million in 2018 and need to invest €1 billion in the 10 years to 2027 just to keep pace with growth. The lands in Dublin Port are far from underutilised. In 2016, throughput was 113,000 tonnes per hectare compared to 55,000 in Rotterdam and 49,000 in Barcelona. By 2040, this will rise to 300,000 tonnes.

Where would David McWilliams build his new port? What size would it be? How would he be sure he would get planning and other consents? How would he finance the project? What financial returns would it make? What economic returns would it generate?

David McWilliams patronises the management in Dublin Port by saying that we are “doing a fine job” and that “the same expert management are well placed to deal with a move”. Based on what we know about Dublin Port and about port development projects, we would never consider a project in any way resembling what he is suggesting because we believe it would be a waste of time and a waste of money. – Yours, etc,

EAMONN O’REILLY,

Dublin Port Company,

Port Centre,

Alexandra Road,

Dublin 1.


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:39 pm 
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Ah Jesus - the last thing the floppy haired commentator wants is cold hard facts. Especially if they make him look little a muppet :)


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:25 pm 
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I skimmed that article on moving the port looking for an answer to the question 'to where?' but never found it. Just move it...up a bit to, like, Rush or Skerries something? He doesn't even really propose a location because, when he thought about any specific alternative, it was a non-runner.

He has a bad habit of seeing something nice on his travels and thinking we should do that here. You get the sense that he rarely has a brain wave that he's not determined to squeeze an article out of; he either doesn't investigate deeply enough or, if he does, he rarely abandons ideas when faced with the impracticality of their execution. The Irish Times Editor might want a word with one of their newest and most expensive star signings.


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:33 pm 
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Ahern backs plan to move Dublin Port
Fri, Oct 20, 2006

The Taoiseach has endorsed a plan by the Progressive Democrats to move Dublin port north to a location near Balbriggan.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ahern-b ... t-1.798220


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Ixelles wrote:
He has a bad habit of seeing something nice on his travels and thinking we should do that here.

bonus points for Copenhagen or somewhere cool; extra points for Barcelona especially;


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:10 pm 
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This comes up every 5-10 years and when looked at in detail always proves to be a non-runner. The only people who could do it would be Dublin Port themselves on a timescale of 10-20 years at a cost of billions.


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:08 pm 
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Move Dublin. Leave the port well enough alone.

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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:09 am 
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If we shift the port to Athlone, it would decentralise the population, freeing up commercial and residential properties for tech companies in the capital.

Water is a scarce resource so smart companies will use drones instead of ships and send growing volumes of goods electronically.

Think about it.

[McWilliams' out-of-the-box-thinking shtick may be running its course unless he starts trying a bit harder. He can't just bang out 700 words on a plane to Malmo]


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 Post subject: Re: The David McWilliams thread
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 am 
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The UK shows the danger of taking newspaper columnists too seriously. Guys like McWilliams are regarded as deep thinkers in the same way that Gove, Zac Goldsmith,Boris Johnson, Nick Timothy (May's advisor now a Torygraph columnist) are/were. They have a similar regard for details and consequences of their blue sky thinking.

The Dublin Port suggestion is a mere amusing brain fart compared to his other bright idea of guaranteeing de banks.

Let's not forget his previous rambling on how great the Stockholm rental market was even though the world and his mother knew it was even worse than Dublin. Lazy fucker


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